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Women are tired of being judged by the Esquire metric
By Rebecca Traister
Last week, I got into a fight on Twitter with New York magazines Jonathan Chait, whose work I respect, and it wasnt about anything that either of us had written; rather, we were tussling over the merits of a piece written by Tom Junod, for Esquire, about how todays 42-year-old women are hotter than ever before.
Theres no need to linger over our differences: I thought the article was a piece of sexist tripe, celebrating a handful of Pilates-toned, famous, white-plus-Maya-Rudolph women as having improved on the apparently dismal aesthetics of previous generations; my primary objections to the piece have been ably laid out by other critics. Chait tweeted that he viewed the piece as a mostly laudable sign of progress: a critique not of earlier iterations of 42-year-old womanhood, but rather of the old sexist beauty standards that did not celebrate those women; he saw it as an acknowledgment of maturing male attitudes toward womens value.
. . .
Instead, Ive been thinking about an anecdote in Tina Feys Bossypants. Amy Poehler, then new to "Saturday Night Live," was engaging in some loud and unladylike vulgarity in the writers room when the shows then-star Jimmy Fallon jokingly told her to cut it out, saying, Its not cute! I dont like it! In Feys retelling, Poehler went black in the eyes for a second, and wheeled around on him, forcefully informing him: I dont fucking care if you like it.
I dont think Im alone in feeling this way. Just this week, the journalist Megan Carpentier wrote a piece about the evolving public appraisals of Hillary Clintons facial expressions that concluded with her suggestion that we get over the idea of 2014 being the year of the strong female politician and aim instead for the year of the strong female politician who doesnt give a fuck if you think shes pretty.
Carpentier doesnt care if you like it. Neither does Buzzfeed writer Arianna Rebolini, who wrote this week about the video for John Legends song You and I, about the diverse beauty of women. Rebolini dutifully yay-thanks-ed the fact that it's uplifting to see these womenof all ages, sizes, ethnicitiesin the spotlight before confessing her discomfort with how the songs lyrics fall into the well-worn pop tradition of celebrating the beauty of women who dont know theyre beautiful. These songs, which presume to assure women that they are attractive (and, by extension, worthwhile), Rebolini writes, assume that the singers relationship to our bodies overrules our relationship with them."
http://www.newrepublic.com/article/118735/problem-esquires-praise-42-year-old-women-amy-poehler
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It is true, in that, I no longer give a shit what a lot of, a certain demographic, men think.
Tuesday Afternoon
Jul 2014
#1
exactly! assuming that males' "relationship to our bodies overrules our relationship with them."
zazen
Jul 2014
#2
The way I see it is, anyone can have a POV, but what makes some random dude's dumbass opinion
nomorenomore08
Jul 2014
#12
Each man/woman is an authority on what's attractive to *him* or *her*. No more than that.
nomorenomore08
Jul 2014
#14