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Women are tired of being judged by the Esquire metric
By Rebecca Traister
Last week, I got into a fight on Twitter with New York magazines Jonathan Chait, whose work I respect, and it wasnt about anything that either of us had written; rather, we were tussling over the merits of a piece written by Tom Junod, for Esquire, about how todays 42-year-old women are hotter than ever before.
Theres no need to linger over our differences: I thought the article was a piece of sexist tripe, celebrating a handful of Pilates-toned, famous, white-plus-Maya-Rudolph women as having improved on the apparently dismal aesthetics of previous generations; my primary objections to the piece have been ably laid out by other critics. Chait tweeted that he viewed the piece as a mostly laudable sign of progress: a critique not of earlier iterations of 42-year-old womanhood, but rather of the old sexist beauty standards that did not celebrate those women; he saw it as an acknowledgment of maturing male attitudes toward womens value.
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Instead, Ive been thinking about an anecdote in Tina Feys Bossypants. Amy Poehler, then new to "Saturday Night Live," was engaging in some loud and unladylike vulgarity in the writers room when the shows then-star Jimmy Fallon jokingly told her to cut it out, saying, Its not cute! I dont like it! In Feys retelling, Poehler went black in the eyes for a second, and wheeled around on him, forcefully informing him: I dont fucking care if you like it.
I dont think Im alone in feeling this way. Just this week, the journalist Megan Carpentier wrote a piece about the evolving public appraisals of Hillary Clintons facial expressions that concluded with her suggestion that we get over the idea of 2014 being the year of the strong female politician and aim instead for the year of the strong female politician who doesnt give a fuck if you think shes pretty.
Carpentier doesnt care if you like it. Neither does Buzzfeed writer Arianna Rebolini, who wrote this week about the video for John Legends song You and I, about the diverse beauty of women. Rebolini dutifully yay-thanks-ed the fact that it's uplifting to see these womenof all ages, sizes, ethnicitiesin the spotlight before confessing her discomfort with how the songs lyrics fall into the well-worn pop tradition of celebrating the beauty of women who dont know theyre beautiful. These songs, which presume to assure women that they are attractive (and, by extension, worthwhile), Rebolini writes, assume that the singers relationship to our bodies overrules our relationship with them."
http://www.newrepublic.com/article/118735/problem-esquires-praise-42-year-old-women-amy-poehler
Tuesday Afternoon
(56,912 posts)Honestly, I find them to be boring and a waste of my time.
zazen
(2,978 posts)That's so spot on.
theHandpuppet
(19,964 posts)Score one for Traister!
F4lconF16
(3,747 posts)the more I like her. Great article too.
ismnotwasm
(42,496 posts)Makes life enjoyable.
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redqueen
(115,177 posts)Yay, thanks! No, really, I mean it.
But what all these issues, no matter how gigantically separated an Esquire puff piece and a Tennessee mothers jailing for meth may seem, reflect back at us: How, in this country, every barometer by which female worth is measuredfrom the superficial to the life-altering, the appreciative to the punitivehas long been calibrated to dude, whether or not those measurements are actually being taken by dudes. Men still run, or at bare minimum have shaped and codified the attitudes of, the churches, the courts, the universities, the police departments, the corporations that so freely determine womens worth. As Beyoncé observed last year, Money gives men power to run the show. It gives men the power to define value. They define whats sexy. And men define whats feminine. Its ridiculous.
BainsBane
(55,183 posts)It's well worth it.
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BainsBane
(55,183 posts)We don't give a fuck what men think is sexy. Got it? Men seem to think their assessment of women's appearance matters. It does not. If you are not married or dating us, we don't want to hear it. You view of our appearance is utterly meaningless.
nomorenomore08
(13,324 posts)so important that others should listen to, and take it into consideration? What the hell does he know anyway?
BainsBane
(55,183 posts)The fact he is male means he is best fit to determine what is sexy. Since, he insisted, nature made men to be attracted to women (as though homosexuality weren't natural), therefore men are the authorities on women's attractiveness.
nomorenomore08
(13,324 posts)Claiming to have universal insight into human sexual desire is pretty laughable.