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Envirogal

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108. The point is winning against actual fascists.

Sat Jun 6, 2026, 05:36 PM

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Our holier than thou approach is why the right wing has more power than we do. The perfect has become the enemy of the good and us only playing by outdated rules is more dangerous than the actual nazi fans we are trying to defeat.

I don’t care if he has a nazi or a Calvin pissing tattoo at this point.

There were a lot of really bad men in the past history that are heroes because they actually did the right thing for the American people. That is all our focus should be.

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Why is so much effort being spent defending a Nazi symbol? [View all] sarisataka Yesterday OP

It's either that or Collin's Trump stamp lame54 Yesterday #1

So if I am understanding sarisataka Yesterday #8

Kicking Collins to the curb is acceptable... lame54 Yesterday #14

I have no disagreement with that sarisataka Yesterday #16

I don't think the symbol is being defended Figarosmom Yesterday #49

There are several posts below sarisataka Yesterday #53

Who is defending a Nazi symbol, other than the far right? idahoblue Yesterday #77

Read the replies sarisataka Yesterday #79

So what conclusion is to be drawn about these so-called defenders CivicGrief 6 hrs ago #186

Finally, perhaps some reflection sarisataka 5 hrs ago #192

I just don't see the responses as going down the path of revisionist history. CivicGrief 5 hrs ago #193

Understandable sarisataka 4 hrs ago #197

Learning moments are good for the nation's soul. CivicGrief 3 hrs ago #198

I don't think it's being defended... buzzycrumbhunger Yesterday #128

It is being defended sarisataka Yesterday #131

They can still go with Janet Mills. LisaL Yesterday #26

Although still on the ballot... lame54 Yesterday #27

She is on the ballot and people can vote for her if they wish. LisaL Yesterday #32

Maine does have Ranked Choice Voting TVguyCards Yesterday #62

Welcome to DU! KS Toronado Yesterday #81

Thank you :) TVguyCards Yesterday #85

Janet Mills polls behind susan collins. Graham polls ahead. BComplex Yesterday #88

Kind of meaningless to consider polling LisaL Yesterday #134

Mills has no chance whatsoever ExtraGriz 8 hrs ago #177

They were stolen symbols and no shouldn't Blue Full Moon 8 hrs ago #175

This symbol? sarisataka 5 hrs ago #195

No, you're making a big deal of it oldmanlynn 7 hrs ago #182

I specifically did not make that connection sarisataka 5 hrs ago #196

You don't have to sell your soul iemanja Yesterday #96

Mills and Costello are still on the ballot obamanut2012 Yesterday #122

But why is Platner our only choice against Collins? yardwork 8 hrs ago #176

If we want to a purity test have Pete Hegseth take off his shirt Ritabert Yesterday #2

Would anyone here defend Hegseth? LisaL Yesterday #3

Just saying that the GOP has one standard for themselves and one for us. Ritabert Yesterday #37

Here no. But Republicans and Faux News would. Ritabert Yesterday #41

My bad opinion of Hegseth Mossfern 23 hrs ago #150

For real Jilly_in_VA 22 hrs ago #151

Is anyone defending his tattos sarisataka Yesterday #10

Or that he got them when he was drunk? LisaL Yesterday #11

As I tried pointing out- it is NOT (!!!) about any tattoo sarisataka Yesterday #17

Yes ABC123Easy Yesterday #20

I am agreeing with your points. LisaL Yesterday #23

I didn't mean to seem in opposition sarisataka Yesterday #28

Of course people here would not defend Hegesth if he got the exact same tattoo when drunk. LisaL Yesterday #30

I haven't seen one post claiming it is not a Nazi symbol. nt LAS14 Yesterday #64

Hegseth is a Republican. Republicans do not have to defend their behavior. JustABozoOnThisBus Yesterday #31

So the argument is, if you can't beat them, join them? LisaL Yesterday #33

Only if the split in the Senate is close. JustABozoOnThisBus Yesterday #35

I get the sentiment Mz Pip Yesterday #48

The point being: when did he get the tattoo? Ritabert Yesterday #42

Too late. He's already been called a Nazi on DU. AloeVera Yesterday #91

I don't think anyone's called him a Nazi and I don't think he is EX500rider Yesterday #116

... and so we advocate withholding support Mossfern Yesterday #121

I didn't advocate anything I just think he has a lot of red flags in my opinion EX500rider Yesterday #126

What does bringing up "red flags" mean then? Mossfern Yesterday #127

And Collins doesn't????? That's the choice. marble falls 21 hrs ago #160

It's means I wish Maine had found someone with less baggage to run. EX500rider 20 hrs ago #167

The point is winning against actual fascists. Envirogal Yesterday #108

The fact that Franken defenders still diminish what he did is wrong EdmondDantes_ Yesterday #68

I read the article and remember it well. Envirogal 2 hrs ago #199

Well, hello again. n/t rzemanfl 1 hr ago #201

They are the party of white supremacy iemanja Yesterday #98

You really want Collins... lame54 7 hrs ago #185

Simple -misanthroptimist Yesterday #4

The same can be said for the swastika sarisataka Yesterday #12

No it wouldn't be the same... -misanthroptimist Yesterday #39

What is the difference? sarisataka Yesterday #43

Look, until this nonsense... -misanthroptimist Yesterday #45

I recognized it immediately sarisataka Yesterday #51

You can say anything you want -misanthroptimist Yesterday #58

Incorrect sarisataka Yesterday #60

If you are not making that assertion... -misanthroptimist Yesterday #66

Stop opposing Nazism and historical revisionism? sarisataka Yesterday #69

Very clearly illogical -misanthroptimist Yesterday #73

The question was never about the tattoo sarisataka Yesterday #76

Then, as I said, the tattoo is irrelevant. -misanthroptimist Yesterday #87

Let me phrase this clearly- since it doesn't matter if I type slowly sarisataka Yesterday #92

Stop dodging -misanthroptimist Yesterday #104

You refuse to accept what I have stated sarisataka Yesterday #109

Nonsense -misanthroptimist Yesterday #137

I never heard of a totenkopf until this story, either. Americanme Yesterday #140

Couldn't agree more -misanthroptimist Yesterday #141

Let me try explaining it. WarGamer 53 min ago #202

But the death head skull is NOT as universally known as a nazi hate symbol, like the swastika. Americanme 19 min ago #203

I'd be willing to bet a fairly large amount of money that the tattoo shop catalog where he bought it Jack Valentino 20 hrs ago #165

I would bet you are correct sarisataka 20 hrs ago #169

Speak and so it shall be so. Behind the Aegis Yesterday #47

Because Fox News wants control of the senate. Initech Yesterday #5

Care to share examples of the behavior in question? RockRaven Yesterday #6

Post number 4 is one example sarisataka Yesterday #13

Why is so little effort being spent promoting other D candidates in the upcoming primary? RandomNumbers Yesterday #7

Why did Sanders endorse Fetterman? LisaL Yesterday #9

True, but what about Warren? RandomNumbers Yesterday #15

We actually had a very good democratic alternative to Fetterman in a primary. LisaL Yesterday #21

Because Nazis killed Jews Danmel Yesterday #18

They might for Platner MorbidButterflyTat Yesterday #24

That would be interesting to see what would happen sarisataka Yesterday #34

Poor Sarisataka ABC123Easy Yesterday #19

I saw that but sarisataka Yesterday #22

Good for you! ABC123Easy Yesterday #25

I showed this thread to my children sarisataka 23 hrs ago #149

Weaponized ignorance -- excellent term. betsuni 20 hrs ago #168

It was an opinion piece not an article, an article implies facts questionseverything Yesterday #29

Really? As one of the less hostile repliers from yesterday..... ABC123Easy Yesterday #36

I saw so many swatikas in India, they must all be Nazi's too Shellback Squid Yesterday #38

Does that make swastikas acceptable everywhere sarisataka Yesterday #44

the German SS was only one of many meanings... mike_c Yesterday #40

Will you say the same of other Nazi symbols sarisataka Yesterday #46

As an art student, I saw many designs through history that included the swastika. calimary Yesterday #118

K&R WhiskeyGrinder Yesterday #50

I think we need to look at intent Bluestocking Yesterday #52

The skull and crossed femurs has a long history TexLaProgressive Yesterday #54

No one is trying to 'rehabilitate' the Nazis RetiredParatrooper Yesterday #55

Who is that guy? nt LAS14 Yesterday #70

Since the photo of von Mackensen sarisataka Yesterday #75

The rules of DU require that we support Platner if he's the nominee Kaleva Yesterday #56

And at no point have I stated sarisataka Yesterday #67

I haven't paid much attention to the debate about the tattoo Kaleva 21 hrs ago #161

Fair enough sarisataka 21 hrs ago #163

Same to you! Kaleva 21 hrs ago #164

At this moment, he is the PRESUMPTIVE nominee. Their primary niyad 22 hrs ago #155

True Kaleva 21 hrs ago #162

One needs only to look at other political figures to answer that. RandySF Yesterday #57

No one is defending the symbol, including platner. pat_k Yesterday #59

Post above your show that statement is false sarisataka Yesterday #63

I see no one defending the symbol. pat_k Yesterday #97

And I was never asking about any man sarisataka Yesterday #103

I see no posts that say that. You have to give me verbatim quotes (in context) that you read that way. pat_k Yesterday #114

Post 4 sarisataka Yesterday #117

Who's defending it? Nt LAS14 Yesterday #61

Have you read the replies sarisataka Yesterday #65

I searched for it and found it in #4, which you referenced... LAS14 Yesterday #72

There are many others in this thread sarisataka Yesterday #78

I have never denied or diminished the connection. I have simply wondered... LAS14 Yesterday #119

I haven't said you have denied its meaning. sarisataka Yesterday #132

OK. nt LAS14 22 hrs ago #152

Just sayin'... buzzycrumbhunger Yesterday #133

Think about this. CivicGrief Yesterday #71

That was not my question, as I clearly stated sarisataka Yesterday #80

The question is not in a vacuum. It is in relation to Platner. CivicGrief Yesterday #82

Never said that, never implied that sarisataka Yesterday #86

Platner was a sexist choice Pris Yesterday #113

The symbol or offensive tattoo can be fairly easily removed Grim Chieftain Yesterday #74

Yes, exactly. WestMichRad Yesterday #110

Yeah, it's gotten cringingly weird now Sympthsical Yesterday #83

Come on folks TVguyCards Yesterday #84

You get it /nt sarisataka Yesterday #89

Enough! MineralMan Yesterday #90

The tattoo behind all of this orangecrush Yesterday #94

I will not stop opposing or rehabilitating Nazis, their legacy and symbols. sarisataka Yesterday #95

Nobody has done that. MineralMan Yesterday #99

They have, in this thread sarisataka Yesterday #105

MM is right. AloeVera 22 hrs ago #153

I have not seen Platner called a Nazi but I have no reason to doubt it. I haven't followed every thread. sarisataka 22 hrs ago #156

Rec'd Mossfern 22 hrs ago #154

I'm more curious as to how someone can defend an ongoing genocide, and endless wars instead of a tattoo; which Uncle Joe Yesterday #93

Which genocide sarisataka Yesterday #101

Any genocide, but particularly ones that our government, and our tax dollars are supporting. n/t Uncle Joe Yesterday #102

Are we allowed to condemn the perpetrators of all the genocides? CivicGrief 23 hrs ago #143

Probably not the ones defended here daily for nearly 2 years. AloeVera 22 hrs ago #157

Intellectual and moral integrity iemanja Yesterday #100

+1 demmiblue Yesterday #106

who is defending that symbol??? LymphocyteLover Yesterday #107

Again- read the replies sarisataka Yesterday #111

OK, but your OP mentioned it... so I wasn't sure what you were referring to LymphocyteLover 11 hrs ago #172

Bullshit. This was not a "Nazi symbol" per se Bluetus Yesterday #112

The particular symbol sarisataka Yesterday #115

Be honest. When did you learn about this symbol? Bluetus Yesterday #135

6th grade sarisataka Yesterday #139

The totenkopf tattoo is a NAZI symbol LetMyPeopleVote Yesterday #123

Nice. So if I have a T-shirt that has an arrow pointing upward, you will call me a Nazi? Bluetus Yesterday #138

I have yet to see anyone defend the symbol Buzz cook Yesterday #120

Read the thread sarisataka Yesterday #130

This tattoo really bothers me LetMyPeopleVote Yesterday #124

Would a Democratically-controlled US Senate bother you, if Platner Jack Valentino 20 hrs ago #166

Isn't the tattoo still there, but covered up? lapucelle 7 hrs ago #180

I would like to see a Democrat defeat Collins but I do not believe that Platner is the right person LetMyPeopleVote 7 hrs ago #183

Well said. mcar 1 hr ago #200

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Before this I had now idea what a totenkopf was. Hassin Bin Sober Yesterday #136

No. You absolutely did! CivicGrief 6 hrs ago #187

He had the tattoo covered many months ago. Collins is still voting to fund the GESTAPO struggle4progress 23 hrs ago #142

That there is the correct perspective -misanthroptimist 23 hrs ago #146

Why is so much effort being spent trying to destroy a Democrat on this forum? n/t luv2fly 23 hrs ago #144

I hesitate to guess -misanthroptimist 23 hrs ago #145

That would be against the SOP sarisataka 23 hrs ago #147

Graham Platner reminds me a lot of Adam Kokesh Polybius 23 hrs ago #148

Maybe its just an awkward tattoo just like Musk's hitler salute was a awkward gesture per the ADL? Eko 21 hrs ago #158

The only thing awkward about Musk's gesture sarisataka 20 hrs ago #170

I agree. Eko 19 hrs ago #171

Being offended is a choice. Intractable 21 hrs ago #159

Chanting the magic slogan Medicare for All trumps The Curse of the Totenkopf. betsuni 11 hrs ago #173

No. They cede power by thinking they CivicGrief 7 hrs ago #179

I don't understand. betsuni 6 hrs ago #188

I'm talking about Democrats who think moving to the center (hence, centrist) right is the CivicGrief 6 hrs ago #189

It's not the tattoo, it's the attack from centrists against progressive candidates. Emile 10 hrs ago #174

What exactly makes Platner "progressive"? He's against an assault weapons ban, lapucelle 7 hrs ago #184

I love me a genuine progressive. You may even say CivicGrief 5 hrs ago #191

"We are oft to blame in this... Torchlight 7 hrs ago #178

More circular firing, squad stuff right here oldmanlynn 7 hrs ago #181

I have read and reread this very long thread before responding. cksmithy 5 hrs ago #190

I appreciate your attention and thoughtful reply sarisataka 5 hrs ago #194