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malthaussen

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235. Very good.
Tue Dec 31, 2024, 03:38 PM
Dec 2024

I think that explains the deep hindbrain causes of woman-hatred very well. Then add in literally thousands of years of social conditioning to reinforce the primal instinct, and you get modern society, which can barely talk about women without putting them down in some way.

Some of it may also be long-standing revulsion to the variance in women's and men's social interaction, or maybe just lack of imagination on the part of the males, who can't seem to communicate with women very well, although among ourselves we do very well with the odd grunt or staccato phrase. Men are From Mars, Women From Venus, after all. It is common to despise what one cannot understand, deep-seated fear notwithstanding.

Thus the origins and deep-seated reasons, but Man (or Human) is supposedly a thinking species with some smidgen of free will. So why modern society continues to retail the hatred of women is the pertinent issue, along with the question of why so many women seem to think it's the way it should be. The OP was reading about the ERA; one of the reasons it failed was because Anita Bryant and her running-dogs drummed up a lot of sympathy among women for maintaining the status quo. So one might profitably also ask the question: why do women hate women so much?

-- Mal

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Insecurity SocialDemocrat61 Dec 2024 #1
Jinx! Iggo Dec 2024 #3
What are they insecure about? Irish_Dem Dec 2024 #4
Everything SocialDemocrat61 Dec 2024 #5
Yes but he is seriously mentally ill. Irish_Dem Dec 2024 #66
Healthy men are not likely insecure. JanMichael Dec 2024 #72
Looks like we have a lot of unhealthy men. Irish_Dem Dec 2024 #79
I know Rebl2 Dec 2024 #134
But there aren't that many healthy men SocialDemocrat61 Dec 2024 #76
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I'm not sure I'd even go for %50. dchill Dec 2024 #88
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As is you're right SocialDemocrat61 Dec 2024 #96
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Good for you SocialDemocrat61 Dec 2024 #102
"What are healthy men insecure about?" Dave Bowman Dec 2024 #228
Yes only psychopaths would force pregnant women to die slow tortuous deaths. Irish_Dem Dec 2024 #230
+1 Dave Bowman Dec 2024 #236
Jobs, just not wanting the "traditional" lifestyle JI7 Dec 2024 #6
Most American men would not have a roof over their heads if their wife didn't bring in a paycheck. Ferrets are Cool Dec 2024 #186
From what I see in the young manosphere on the net, musette_sf Dec 2024 #261
Depends on the man. Iggo Dec 2024 #7
What are some of the things they are insecure about? Irish_Dem Dec 2024 #68
It's about control Docreed2003 Dec 2024 #59
If women are inferior, men can feel superior? Irish_Dem Dec 2024 #70
BINGO Irish Dem. Diamond_Dog Dec 2024 #98
Probably a lot of that, plus all the other men who control THEM makes some mighty insecure Attilatheblond Dec 2024 #152
It's about culture...it's not different from racism in that respect. Trueblue Texan Dec 2024 #189
Women can create a new life, men can't. That makes them feel inferior therefore they hate us. Walleye Dec 2024 #67
This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Dec 2024 #84
I have to disagree with you Walleye. Diamond_Dog Dec 2024 #97
Anthropologically, slightlv Dec 2024 #109
I read a book a long while back that this was the theory. Women bled every month, somehow ended up pregnant. mucholderthandirt Dec 2024 #170
Boys have to go through some kind of rite of passage at adolescence. Walleye Dec 2024 #207
It makes sense to me that the patriarchy was born when humans became aware of men's role in reproduction. CrispyQ Dec 2024 #213
Yes, that's the way I see it, they are actually afraid of our power Walleye Dec 2024 #172
That's some of it Jilly_in_VA Dec 2024 #222
ayup, everything you list *IS* power! bluboid Dec 2024 #232
Is this a serious question? JanMichael Dec 2024 #69
Women have a right to know the answer to the question. Irish_Dem Dec 2024 #75
Not a woman but I think many of the things I mentioned are reasons JanMichael Dec 2024 #95
People who put down systematically other groups of people soldierant Dec 2024 #104
Same reason white men put down POC? Irish_Dem Dec 2024 #174
Same reason any group puts down any other group. Always. Forever. soldierant Jan 2025 #286
Your thesis is proven by the current incel backlash: Women don't need men and so the less desirables are rejected. lindysalsagal Jan 2025 #294
I think it's something primal. intheflow Dec 2024 #113
Holy shit BlueSpot Dec 2024 #160
Naw, not a scientist. intheflow Dec 2024 #175
That's close to what I have heard/read Bob_in_VA Dec 2024 #214
100% all of this, and intheflow Dec 2024 #217
Thanks for joining in BlueSpot Dec 2024 #266
A couple thousand BC was when war and territory acquisition became possible with warship technology lindysalsagal Jan 2025 #293
Women's physical condition was weaker in a primitive society. Irish_Dem Dec 2024 #176
Exactly! intheflow Dec 2024 #177
Except the idea men were the hunters has been dismissed and been proven out women were very LizBeth Jan 2025 #278
Very good. malthaussen Dec 2024 #235
Because they no longer own them. It's a loss of status. Beck23 Dec 2024 #201
Yes. As if they're suddenly competing with their dairy cows for jobs. Scrivener7 Dec 2024 #216
Vagina envy? wnylib Dec 2024 #35
I never thought I would see folks here arguing the superiority of one set of genitalia over the other. PeaceWave Dec 2024 #101
You are taking my comment way too literally. wnylib Dec 2024 #127
Freud/fraud.... I never could keep that straight Attilatheblond Dec 2024 #156
LOL. I think that his own subjectivity crept into his conclusions. wnylib Dec 2024 #168
Yep. Da man had issues Attilatheblond Dec 2024 #187
I never thought I would live in a country Hope22 Dec 2024 #158
And how 'bout them multiple orgasms, with no rest between needed? Attilatheblond Dec 2024 #155
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Done in one -misanthroptimist Dec 2024 #183
Basically ThePartyThatListens Jan 2025 #287
Insecurity. (n/t) Iggo Dec 2024 #2
Why didn't women vote for either Hillary or Kamala? Yavin4 Dec 2024 #8
Nine minutes Brenda Dec 2024 #13
Then work on the indoctrinated. Yavin4 Dec 2024 #17
Men voted in higher %s for Trump than did women, in every racial/ethnic category. spooky3 Dec 2024 #57
This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Dec 2024 #85
So all the exit polls say. And if you don't like those, Pew will likely publish its Validated Voter study in the next spooky3 Dec 2024 #105
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The table here that is labeled "the gender gap..." may be of interest: spooky3 Dec 2024 #111
What's up with all the conspiracies lately? Polybius Dec 2024 #116
This message was self-deleted by its author PeaceWave Jan 2025 #267
It was in reply to Chin Music's post Polybius Jan 2025 #268
no, work on MEN Brenda Dec 2024 #74
Work on men by leading with the statement "Why do men hate women so much?" PeaceWave Dec 2024 #112
No it is not effective, nor are facts. Go figure. LizBeth Jan 2025 #279
That's a rather broad brush SickOfTheOnePct Dec 2024 #18
I mean when you start reducing it qazplm135 Dec 2024 #64
Men are also indoctrinated by the same patriarchal society EdmondDantes_ Dec 2024 #114
Ty for pointing out genuine progress. Unfortunately Drumphf inflamed a whole bunch of men who do hate women. electric_blue68 Dec 2024 #142
If, when, how many and with whom Freddie Dec 2024 #185
An inconvenient truth...45% of women voted for Trump over Kamala. PeaceWave Dec 2024 #21
92% of Black Women JustAnotherGen Dec 2024 #45
Leave black folks out of this mess. Keepthesoulalive Dec 2024 #53
Amen JustAnotherGen Dec 2024 #144
An important number Beringia Dec 2024 #55
And a lower percent of black men voted for Harris and Clinton than Biden and Obama. LizBeth Jan 2025 #282
78% voted for Harris JustAnotherGen Jan 2025 #288
It's true, and it's so disappointing Alice Kramden Dec 2024 #132
Thank you.n/t Yavin4 Dec 2024 #154
Men hate women because they're women. Women hate other women because they're jealous. CousinIT Dec 2024 #238
It's a girl. I am sorry. Maybe next time. As a society we are told from the day we are born LizBeth Jan 2025 #280
Apologies Just Jerome Dec 2024 #9
A few yrs ago, I wasn't sure what runs deeper in our country: racism or sexism? FlyingPiggy Dec 2024 #10
That's been clear Sky Jewels Dec 2024 #162
Absolutely, sexism is the much larger problem. Clouds Passing Dec 2024 #239
Sexism is also not addressed, discussed or acted upon as much as racism, it seems like. CousinIT Jan 2025 #285
I totally agree w that. We don't talk about it nearly as much as racism. FlyingPiggy Jan 2025 #290
I don't really know. Sexism seems to be accepted - even by women - more than racism. CousinIT Jan 2025 #292
Some men I suspect can't handle strong women. My uncle was like that. He treated his wife like crap, SWBTATTReg Dec 2024 #11
I'm a man and I don't hate women Unladen Swallow Dec 2024 #12
Likewise. anciano Dec 2024 #14
Me three. But, I've noticed some folks here like to make blanket statements about men. Oh well. PeaceWave Dec 2024 #16
We can homegirl Dec 2024 #22
Yes. Adjectives matter. But, some people seem to hate them so much. PeaceWave Dec 2024 #26
Understood.... anciano Dec 2024 #48
Should have used "some men". Not all. multigraincracker Dec 2024 #25
Interesting correlation Unladen Swallow Dec 2024 #34
After an accident and a botched surgery mine got down to 79. multigraincracker Dec 2024 #41
Critical info for a man to have Unladen Swallow Dec 2024 #244
Exactly. Seems to me that B.See Dec 2024 #32
Treat this as with anything else xmas74 Dec 2024 #42
This. I don't take offense to the white woman things, because I am not, nor have I ever been a typical white woman. onecaliberal Dec 2024 #124
And there have been occassion when I myself say I am so fucking tired of white women. LizBeth Jan 2025 #281
I'm a man too, but I don't get mad about the statement. I think it's clearly speaking from statistical likelihood. Lucky Luciano Dec 2024 #63
Are you able to distinguish yourself as apart intheflow Dec 2024 #242
Let's see if I can get banned bucolic_frolic Dec 2024 #15
Actually, no. Biophilic Dec 2024 #24
It was not a qualitative post. It was about winning elections. /nt bucolic_frolic Dec 2024 #43
Yes, exactly, it was and is about winning elections. Biophilic Dec 2024 #61
Margaret Thatcher was born in 1925 same as my mom. sheshe2 Dec 2024 #39
No I think we need to exude confidence, control, and certainty bucolic_frolic Dec 2024 #46
ya know what bugs me? stilettos. mopinko Dec 2024 #193
If necessary, America can just drop dead, figuratively speaking lostnfound Dec 2024 #44
What's wrong with how Kamala dressed? iemanja Dec 2024 #54
Jeez, I hate myself for making this statement. To my mind there was nothing wrong with either wardrobe. But..... EarnestPutz Dec 2024 #83
Paid a price based on wardrobe? iemanja Dec 2024 #117
Al Gore was a man and received similar treatment re how he dressed. delisen Dec 2024 #180
Did Vice President Harris wear clothing that was "unfit for the boardroom" thucythucy Dec 2024 #254
Seems strange, doesn't it? I can clearly remember the crusade against the ERA walkingman Dec 2024 #19
Thanks for a good reply walkingman Brenda Dec 2024 #28
I didn't make my thoughts clear.... walkingman Dec 2024 #50
I think that's a very astute observation walkingman. Buddyzbuddy Dec 2024 #110
i'm not sute that "hate" is the order of things rampartd Dec 2024 #60
It should be remembered that the "Crusade against the ERA"... regnaD kciN Dec 2024 #65
Thank you. Exactly - and she was successful in defeating it. walkingman Dec 2024 #78
And yet she wasn't nurturing and loving her children. SharonAnn Dec 2024 #91
No, she was not. North Shore Chicago Dec 2024 #184
They're scared of you. paleotn Dec 2024 #20
Not sure to or of whom you are speaking Unladen Swallow Dec 2024 #37
Does the shoe fit? paleotn Dec 2024 #226
Anger? Lol. Unladen Swallow Dec 2024 #245
Modification of the old Bard... paleotn Dec 2024 #260
All the wanna-be Alpha males can't compete on a level playing field. Can't cope; they've been shielded so long. . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Dec 2024 #23
Their alpha male bullshit only works on other men. Iggo Dec 2024 #30
The whole binary gender thing is weird. Think. Again. Dec 2024 #27
Hey MAGA! Want more American engineers, fewer H-1B? Educate women, mentor them, and pay them the same. ERA. . nt Bernardo de La Paz Dec 2024 #29
When one's only sense of power or accomplishment depends on another's subjugation... Reader Rabbit Dec 2024 #31
Perfectly stated. Scrivener7 Dec 2024 #51
Succinct and Astute Observation! Haveadream Dec 2024 #167
Technically, these aren't my own words. Reader Rabbit Dec 2024 #198
Thank you for that! Haveadream Dec 2024 #249
Male patriarchy PortTack Dec 2024 #33
Weak men hate women. PittBlue Dec 2024 #36
Lots of strong men do too. Scrivener7 Dec 2024 #52
Phyllis Schlafly. The Unmitigated Gall Dec 2024 #38
Because the worst man is instantly better than half the population. Intractable Dec 2024 #40
Pfft. wnylib Dec 2024 #49
This is a supremely bigoted statement in my view and demonstrates and defines, if anything, hatred itself. NNadir Dec 2024 #47
Why are men's feelings so much more important than iemanja Dec 2024 #56
This message was self-deleted by its author anciano Dec 2024 #80
Lol iemanja Dec 2024 #118
Yes. Let's attack each other based on gender - despite the fact that all of us here voted for Kamala. PeaceWave Dec 2024 #120
Equal rights iemanja Dec 2024 #122
OP specifically asked "Why did so many male Dems and Independents not vote for Harris?" PeaceWave Dec 2024 #126
I since edited my post iemanja Dec 2024 #131
My only priority is to see folks here argue effectively with one another. Generalities and scapegoating don't help... PeaceWave Dec 2024 #135
Therefore not equal rights iemanja Dec 2024 #147
"Considering your appropriate correction of my point about Republican me" Abolishinist Dec 2024 #159
This message was self-deleted by its author PeaceWave Dec 2024 #161
A strange way to have fun? Abolishinist Dec 2024 #163
This is not about women's rights, which all decent people - and there are lots of men who qualify - emphatically support NNadir Dec 2024 #145
It is about women's rights iemanja Dec 2024 #146
Less offensive if OP said some? Ilikepurple Dec 2024 #164
Are you a man? róisín_dubh Dec 2024 #169
Nope obamanut2012 Dec 2024 #200
Except women live it from the day they are born, but not allowed a conversation? LizBeth Jan 2025 #283
Men and women rso Dec 2024 #58
power over a perceived "weaker" sex? I have no idea. I don't see any difference but obviously millions do. Evolve Dammit Dec 2024 #62
That is beyond my understanding of the male nature. Lunabell Dec 2024 #71
My theory is men hate women because they know they need us to perpetuate humanity Walleye Dec 2024 #73
Hoo boy would THAT be a hoot! Diamond_Dog Dec 2024 #106
I've wondered about this too 4catsmom Dec 2024 #77
Study Mexico where men voted in a woman president in 2024 delisen Dec 2024 #81
I think POTUS is unique. They don't think a woman can be the leader of the free world and commander-in-chief of the most Walleye Dec 2024 #87
Maybe it has to do with the nature of iemanja Dec 2024 #119
I don't think our military power is regarded in the way it was post WWIi delisen Dec 2024 #130
I will believe it when it happens, not before Walleye Dec 2024 #171
This is always brought up in these conversations. It's like saying Scrivener7 Dec 2024 #125
Not sure I understand your meaning delisen Dec 2024 #136
Recent events prove we can't achieve that. Scrivener7 Dec 2024 #139
How do you think recent events prove that we can,t achieve that anytime soon? delisen Dec 2024 #250
Seriously? I bet you can figure that out. Scrivener7 Dec 2024 #257
I figure there is no proof. delisen Jan 2025 #272
You do you, dear. Scrivener7 Jan 2025 #275
She's also bucking a rather dismal trend TheProle Dec 2024 #243
Yes it is the slowest rate of growth as the authoaritarian trend is worldwide. delisen Jan 2025 #273
Mexico votes more by party than personality LeftInTX Jan 2025 #270
Both major party candidates were women. delisen Jan 2025 #274
Mexican American men supported Kamala more than white men did. Elessar Zappa Jan 2025 #298
Yeah, but I saw it here. LeftInTX Jan 2025 #299
I live in New Mexico. Elessar Zappa Jan 2025 #300
I know most of the people that I've mentioned. With the exception of the 21 yo LeftInTX Jan 2025 #302
That is a very interesting perspective. Thank you. nt delisen Jan 2025 #304
Yes but... róisín_dubh Jan 2025 #271
The question could be cate94 Dec 2024 #86
??? The Third Doctor Dec 2024 #89
Wonder this often cally Dec 2024 #94
It's not hate, it's patriarchy. pandr32 Dec 2024 #100
Same thing. You can't have the patriarchy without the hate. Scrivener7 Dec 2024 #123
Mysogyny and patriarchy do seem to dovetail. pandr32 Dec 2024 #221
Replicating patriarchy requires hatred. It may be unexamined but it is still hatred. Scrivener7 Dec 2024 #259
And lots of women benefit from the patriarchy Freddie Dec 2024 #211
To say lots of women benefit from patriarchy... SunSeeker Dec 2024 #220
Agree, but they don't see beyond themselves to realize that Freddie Dec 2024 #233
Because the hot ones turned them down for prom, meadowlander Dec 2024 #103
Some men treat women like dirt and others don't know how to behave and don't have females in their lives. rickford66 Dec 2024 #108
Oh they do.... they really do. And seeing it more now that ever before in my lifetime. LizBeth Dec 2024 #115
I can only speak for myself, but I certainly don't Polybius Dec 2024 #121
* some Oopsie Daisy Dec 2024 #128
Thank you. Last time I checked, exit polls showed that 44% of men voted for Kamala. PeaceWave Dec 2024 #129
You're all overthinking it. usonian Dec 2024 #133
Yup. Religion. SheltieLover Dec 2024 #256
This thread shows that MOST men just don't get it. Scrivener7 Dec 2024 #137
Not playing DFW Dec 2024 #138
This message was self-deleted by its author PeaceWave Dec 2024 #141
This message was self-deleted by its author Abolishinist Dec 2024 #150
Short answer... Bread and Circuses Dec 2024 #140
Sometimes, you see the thread title, the OP flvegan Dec 2024 #143
Only if "epic" is defined as pitting Dems against each other in a way that Trumpers must love. PeaceWave Dec 2024 #149
Loving the early 90s energy, tho Sympthsical Dec 2024 #166
I wonder if the people who so object to this thread iemanja Dec 2024 #148
once women demonstrate their excellence in power, the cat will be out of the bag cadoman Dec 2024 #151
You say "they stopped Harris." Who is "they" when 45% of women voted for Trump? PeaceWave Dec 2024 #153
For the same reason they hate other races, religions, etc. chowmama Dec 2024 #157
When the worst qualified white man Blue_Tires Dec 2024 #165
Gratuitous, pointless man-bashing. Paladin Dec 2024 #173
You are missing the point. Consider the difference between the rights of women and the Scrivener7 Dec 2024 #181
I agree with your comments. And I stand by mine. (nt) Paladin Dec 2024 #196
Then you don't actually agree with my comments. Scrivener7 Dec 2024 #197
Castle Rock v. Gonzales H2O Man Dec 2024 #248
What is the proportion of restraining orders against husbands by wives versus against wives by husbands? Scrivener7 Dec 2024 #258
It is true H2O Man Dec 2024 #262
Indeed, the broad brush strikes again. Patton French Dec 2024 #188
Sex and women make men incredibly vulnerable. leftyladyfrommo Dec 2024 #179
because everything bad in the world is Eve's fault PedroXimenez Dec 2024 #182
No ERA and widespread mainstream sexism in our faces everyday Quiet Em Dec 2024 #190
Should that be "American men"? viva la Dec 2024 #191
Patriarchy rules the globe. CrispyQ Dec 2024 #203
Try watching this guy. Linda ladeewolf Dec 2024 #192
He does a series on this topic. Linda ladeewolf Dec 2024 #194
Well, I voted for Kamala Harris, and so did many of my male friends. MineralMan Dec 2024 #195
I agree with Mineral Man Klondike Kat Dec 2024 #199
I'm glad you posted this Dem4life1234 Dec 2024 #202
Another thing Dem4life1234 Dec 2024 #204
Because they are intimidated. They also are idiots. OLDMDDEM Dec 2024 #205
This message was self-deleted by its author CentralMass Dec 2024 #206
It's one of the reasons Dem4life1234 Dec 2024 #208
It would be nice to see more of this Quiet Em Dec 2024 #209
This is a rightwing propaganda framing. Voltaire2 Dec 2024 #210
Another issue I see is that some women /and men WANT to be controlled... TrunKated Dec 2024 #212
Perhaps it's the same reason that racists are so full of fear from the "other" -- it's because they are afraid OMGWTF Dec 2024 #215
We finally achieved approval from the requisite number of states Mblaze Dec 2024 #218
We live in a patriarchy, which is a hierarchy, and therefore MUST have a group of people, women, to oppress. valleyrogue Dec 2024 #219
I just watched a movie called Nu-Shu, a hidden language of women in China Beringia Dec 2024 #223
Mama didn't love them enough kimbutgar Dec 2024 #224
Whatever the reason it's time to stop redqueen Dec 2024 #225
Happy New Year, redqueen! Nice to see you. I'll check those out. Scrivener7 Jan 2025 #277
Message auto-removed Name removed Dec 2024 #227
It's about 'being the boss'. Joinfortmill Dec 2024 #229
Because there is enmity between his seed and her seed. Festivito Dec 2024 #231
I think it is safe to blame the Judeo-Christian "creation" fable LeftyLucie Dec 2024 #234
There was patriarchy in sub-Saharan Africa that weren't Christian, Jewish, or Muslim. Elessar Zappa Dec 2024 #263
There were also many matrileneal societies in both sub-Sharan Africa and among Indigenous folks in America and elsewhere LeftyLucie Dec 2024 #265
Sure, there were some matrilineal societies. Elessar Zappa Jan 2025 #297
Why did so many Dems and Independents *not* vote against DJT? malthaussen Dec 2024 #237
I'm proud that I'm not one of them. I voted for Harris and Clinton. What a better world it would be if they had won. OverBurn Dec 2024 #240
Indoctrination of Little Boys IroningBored Dec 2024 #241
In my female life I've found older men respect women more than do younger men. Younger men allegorical oracle Dec 2024 #246
The possibility of the mail in ballots cast by men The Wizard Dec 2024 #247
For a lot of them, these men can't bear the idea of possibly being dominated no_hypocrisy Dec 2024 #251
My first thought was the Book of Genesis. SleeplessinSoCal Dec 2024 #252
Overgeneralize and get 250 responses. EarnestPutz Dec 2024 #253
Scared... Godot51 Dec 2024 #255
Religion. alarimer Dec 2024 #264
Because we as a society... Chemical Bill Jan 2025 #269
I think the differences between men's and women's responses to this question give a big part of the answer. Scrivener7 Jan 2025 #276
Part 2 of my rant no_hypocrisy Jan 2025 #284
Men supported Hillary Clinton in 2016. C0RI0LANUS Jan 2025 #289
Today I read that the Taliban have banned windows where women could be seen Babajida Jan 2025 #291
i heard about this on an am radio news break yesterday when i was in the car orleans Jan 2025 #295
Insecurity+Ingrained culture Elessar Zappa Jan 2025 #296
Because these men are afraid women will get enough power one day to treat men like how men treat women. Oneironaut Jan 2025 #301
It's about power and control GoreWon2000 Jan 2025 #303
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