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PeaceWave

(1,241 posts) Sat Dec 28, 2024, 06:37 PM Dec 28

Dress Codes - An unnecessary vestige of an exclusionary and discriminatory past or something that still has a purpose... [View all]

I ask this question due to what recently happened at a prestigious New York chess tournament. I'm not sure that dress codes ever really had a legitimate place in civil society. Over the centuries, they have been used to exclude the poor and middle classes and to discriminate against racial and religious minorities. Today, a quarter of the way into the 21st century, it is apparently still okay in some circles to use dress codes to stifle competition, brilliance and joy. I find this disappointing.

Chess champion Magnus Carlsen disqualified from tournament for wearing jeans

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/chess-champion-magnus-carlsen-disqualified-from-tournament-for-wearing-jeans/

I'm not sure how many of you follow chess. If you do, then you know that 34 year old Magnus Carlsen is a rock star in the world of competitive chess. This week, Carlsen was competing in New York in the World Blitz Chess Championship and the World Rapid Chess Championship. Carlsen won both tournaments in both 2022 and 2023. He has won the Blitz Chess Championship seven times and the Rapid Chess Championship five times in the past 10 years.

After playing several rounds of chess, Carlsen was confronted by tournament officials who informed him that he needed to remove his pants. Yes, you got that right. Tournament officials told Carlsen that the jeans he was wearing were "expressly prohibited" under the International Chess Federation's regulations for the event. They further informed him that he would be fined $200 and would need to change his clothes. Carlsen declined to do so on the spot but offered to change for the following day of the tournament. Tournament officials refused Carlsen's offer, at which point Carlsen said things "became a bit of a matter of principle." Carlsen was not permitted to play in the tournament's ninth round and he was disqualified from further participation. Carlsen said he would not appeal the decision.

A picture of Magnus Carlsen and his "expressly prohibited" jeans...

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Dress Codes - An unnecessary vestige of an exclusionary and discriminatory past or something that still has a purpose... [View all] PeaceWave Dec 28 OP

Carlsen used that as an excuse. drray23 Dec 28 #1

You have an axe to grind with the greatest chess player to ever walk the planet? PeaceWave Dec 28 #15

Ambivalent ProfessorGAC Dec 28 #2

ludicrous dsc Dec 28 #3

They make the rules. Doesn't matter how great they look. jimfields33 Dec 29 #43

and it took them not one, or two, or three, but eight rounds to figure that out dsc Dec 29 #48

I agree. They should have disqualified him upon arrival. jimfields33 Dec 29 #49

They look horrible Mosby Jan 5 #71

There was a female chess master who refused to play in Saudi Arabia Arazi Dec 28 #4

She did the right thing by dropping out. jimfields33 Dec 29 #44

Or they could drop the outdated dress code Arazi Dec 29 #52

Just follow the Golden Rule. He who has the gold, rules. Wonder Why Dec 28 #5

They're not reasonable all across the board. But I wish more high-end restaurants Aristus Dec 28 #6

I'm with you there . . . Journeyman Dec 28 #7

In all of the years of my childhood, back when smoking was permitted in restaurants Aristus Dec 28 #8

Why do you care what other people wear? wackadoo wabbit Dec 29 #20

I'm not sure I agree 100%. Atmosphere counts for a lot on a night out. Aristus Dec 29 #23

Making Intrusive sounds is very different than Ms. Toad Dec 29 #46

Breasts, butt cracks, genitals, and underwear are your bridges too far. Aristus Dec 29 #51

Backwards baseball caps Lulu KC Dec 29 #32

I hate the fact that I'm becoming the kind of cranky old guy I never wanted to be. Aristus Dec 29 #60

There are times & places where it's just respectful to take a bit of care with your dress & appearance CrispyQ Dec 29 #57

going to court Skittles Jan 4 #63

We recently went to Les Grands Buffets, in Narbonne. A restaurant dedicated to Escoffier's recipes GoneOffShore Jan 5 #72

You cannot fail, tastefully, by overdressing. cachukis Dec 28 #9

or by misspelling the word. PeaceWave Dec 28 #10

Thanks. I stand corrected. cachukis Dec 28 #13

"Beware of any enterprise the requires new clothes." - Henry David Thoreau N/T lapucelle Dec 28 #11

Said the guy who demonstrated his embrace of the simple life Aristus Dec 29 #24

Is the part about the laundry true? lapucelle Dec 29 #25

Laundry AND brought meals! Lulu KC Dec 29 #33

Thoreau seems to have a lot in common with modern RW keyboard warriors. lapucelle Dec 29 #37

I had a similar conversation just yesterday. SharonClark Dec 28 #12

Every retail worker gets a lot of leeway from me right now Arazi Dec 28 #14

Minimum wage begets minimum effort. Mariana Dec 28 #16

Actually, I think Target pays decently Lulu KC Dec 29 #34

"Nickel and Dimed" by Barbara Ehrenreich CrispyQ Dec 29 #58

She may be one of the homeless working poor. Lars39 Dec 29 #29

Went to visit my grandmother's family in the old villages applegrove Dec 28 #17

... Kelen Dec 28 #18

What I find really stupid is that Men and Women compete separately in major Chess tournaments MichMan Dec 28 #19

It's because men's egos can't handle... WestMichRad Dec 29 #53

Man, I remember getting whupped by a 12 year old girl (best friend's little sister) The Mouth Jan 4 #62

Opportunities Johnny2X2X Jan 5 #73

Sorry, if they aren't skilled enough to compete then they need to try harder. MichMan Jan 5 #74

This message was self-deleted by its author Iggo Dec 29 #21

That is "dressed up" for a 34 year old. yardwork Dec 29 #22

Men in tight clothes Freddie Dec 29 #30

Agreed! Lulu KC Dec 29 #35

It's been like that for almost ten years. yardwork Dec 29 #38

Yes! Lulu KC Dec 29 #40

Kids these days! yardwork Dec 29 #45

Our Board of Elections finally decided poll workers can wear jeans Maeve Dec 29 #26

Accept it - MAGA has driven us back to the 1950s - it is more obvious every day. walkingman Dec 29 #27

Gender ZDU Dec 29 #28

Casual Friday bucolic_frolic Dec 29 #31

And piercings all over the face! IL Dem Dec 29 #39

This does seem ridiculous BUT Lulu KC Dec 29 #36

It's not just the jacket, Abolishinist Jan 4 #64

Yes--and while we're on it-- Lulu KC Jan 4 #67

I played a *lot* of competitive Chess as a high school kid lapfog_1 Dec 29 #41

Dress codes are stupid Jilly_in_VA Dec 29 #42

Color coding all the staff reminds me of Brave New World. yardwork Dec 29 #47

"No Blue Jeans in the Rainbow Room!" - How I broke the dress code. MineralMan Dec 29 #50

Seems counter-productive..... getagrip_already Dec 29 #54

Someone should make dress pants with blue denim. WestMichRad Dec 29 #55

Next year he should wear a skirt and top, pantsuit, or bridal gown. CoopersDad Dec 29 #56

Irish fighter Conor McGregor's pinstripe suit MichMan Dec 29 #59

Yep, same problem as mentioned earlier. It looks like it shrunk in the dryer. JustABozoOnThisBus Dec 29 #61

You mean rapist and abuser obamanut2012 Jan 5 #69

I want a pair of the shoes that can be seen at :33 Abolishinist Jan 4 #65

Mostly they're snobby. alarimer Jan 4 #66

How did he not know the rules? Patton French Jan 5 #68

Americans are the most sloppily dressed people in the world. BannonsLiver Jan 5 #70