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PatrickforO

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38. We try never to miss Maher. I have noticed this parroting a couple times, most
Sat Apr 4, 2020, 11:32 AM
Apr 2020

notably when he had some politician on and asked if the real thing with the budget wasn't to 'tackle entitlements.' Having paid full-boat into Social Security and Medicare for about 40 years (at the time), I found myself yelling at the TV.

And, in better times, of course, Maher tried to get left, right and center on his panels. But then he stopped doing that most of the time because he had a few on who just basically kept talking and yelled over everyone else. That's the way they teach their people - don't listen and if someone brings up a conflicting point or calls out a lie, just raise your voice and keep talking.

So Bill stopped doing that pretty much.

Since Trump, he's basically had a different show. He's had a few noted right wingers on - Grover Norquist, Steve Bannon among them - but mostly people to the left, and he's been critical of Trump from the get-go - even during Trump's campaign.

Remember Bill is human, like you and me. Just a guy with a stand up routine. But he learned a huge lesson about this country when he spoke the truth shortly after 911, about how the terrorists who crashed the planes were not cowards, because they gave their lives, and that it was our policies, in part, which had created that terrorism. Capitalism, then, being the root cause of terrorism, though Maher didn't say THAT.

But he was fired, banned from TV for years, and he was bitter about that, so now he transfers his anger at the American people to Muslim countries. You can (or could) see Maher making rants about the danger of Islam. But remember he was persona non grata for what, eight or nine years, before HBO picked him back up again.

Of course, he also did Religilous, which was a paean to atheism, and he often did (to my mind) inappropriate rants or tangents where he would go off and argue religion with some guests.

So there it is. Maher is human. I watch him every time because he is funny, and I learn new stuff. For example, last night he had the Zombie movie guy on, who actually was asked by the government to observe and comment on a national disaster response exercise.

Now, this is important - they were talking about how some countries are using this disaster to impose more authoritarian forms of government. Concerning our exercise, the zombie guy said no, it wasn't about that. He said the exercise was based on a terror nuclear bombing of an American city, and that they had local, state and national government, plus a bunch of lawyers, because not only was the exercise about mitigating the disaster, but also about preserving our rights in the process.

I have participated in such drills - mainly 'table' scenarios, and contributed to the writing our continuity of operation plans at a very local level. But I never thought of it that way, and would not have thought of it that way had I not seen the zombie guy on Maher. That was useful to me. And, I didn't know Seth MacFarlane has cats. I'm a cat guy too.

So, no, to answer your question, I don't shy away from someone who is parroting right-wing talking points because if I do, then I won't hear them, think them out and learn to respond appropriately to them.

A last thing - I have suggested that we have politics forums on My Neighborhood app because people need to discuss these issues at all levels, with their neighbors. My own thought is that since we're neighbors and we know we're neighbors, maybe it will restore some civility to the discourse, while at the same time educating people who would not otherwise be educated about issues that affect them. This is what it is to live as a citizen in a republic - to be able to debate well with people who do not agree with you, then achieve a compromise that allows forward movement. We don't have that at the federal level, but if more people engaged at the local level in real debate, we would have less polarization.

Long answer, I know, but it is a thoughtful one.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden

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Beyond me SheltieLover Apr 2020 #1
Hmmm... it's almost like there's a larger, coordinated agenda at work to keep Bernie in the race... Blue Owl Apr 2020 #2
Sanders was on Bill Maher tonight. He seemed relaxed and in good humor. Hoyt Apr 2020 #3
Maybe because Bernie has a lot of good ideas and a large following? Bluepinky Apr 2020 #4
Fine. Let him first withdraw from the race, close this chapter question everything Apr 2020 #6
I agree with that, everyone needs to vote for the Democratic candidate in the general election. Bluepinky Apr 2020 #10
Bingo! Champion Jack Apr 2020 #71
What Good Ideas? Me. Apr 2020 #74
Not large enough to win the primary. He lost...and should sashay away. Demsrule86 Apr 2020 #77
Every circus needs a clown Grokenstein Apr 2020 #5
he does represent a substantial consituency and has the same ideas I had 40 yrs ago lol nt msongs Apr 2020 #7
Fine. First let him leave the race and tell his followers to vote for Biden question everything Apr 2020 #8
The Democratic party had many of those ideas then, too. Gore1FL Apr 2020 #11
And still do...but surely we can do better than M4A...an old plan...and my sis is no Medicare and Demsrule86 Apr 2020 #78
Cool! Take that assuredness and use it to reach out to Sanders supporters Gore1FL Apr 2020 #82
14% support him at DU. 48% are undecided. nt Gore1FL Apr 2020 #9
DU is a site on the internet, which is global. George II Apr 2020 #25
So you admit Sanders clearly has enough supporters globally to be interviewed. Gore1FL Apr 2020 #28
So you admit that perhaps some of that 14% are not American voters? George II Apr 2020 #33
48% aren't undecided. TwilightZone Apr 2020 #56
So there are at least 14% for Sanders at this site and maybe more. Gore1FL Apr 2020 #60
A large part of the undecided don't come here often and have not bother to pick a nominee...he Demsrule86 Apr 2020 #79
Maybe they are all hoping he will announce the suspension of his campaign Bev54 Apr 2020 #12
I wonder if they're "secret admirers" of wanting Cha Apr 2020 #13
Maher has never been a friend of the Democratic Party Dem4Life1102 Apr 2020 #14
Maher voted for Republican Bob Dole in 1996 against Bill Clinton LVZ Apr 2020 #15
Thanks Dem4Life1102 Apr 2020 #17
And I think that Jon Stewart voted for papa Bush in 1988 question everything Apr 2020 #31
I believe it is a mistake for any of us to make the Democratic Party some PatrickforO Apr 2020 #19
Don't dishonestly put words in my mouth Dem4Life1102 Apr 2020 #21
Indeed. But dissent sometimes can be the highest form of patriotism. PatrickforO Apr 2020 #22
Does dissent include parroting GOP talking points? Dem4Life1102 Apr 2020 #24
We try never to miss Maher. I have noticed this parroting a couple times, most PatrickforO Apr 2020 #38
That wasn't my question. Dem4Life1102 Apr 2020 #41
Took him awhile to build back up, though. PatrickforO Apr 2020 #46
No a few months is not years Dem4Life1102 Apr 2020 #50
Indeed. Politically Incorrect was canceled in 2002 and Real Time launched in 2003. stopbush Apr 2020 #64
My biggest issue with Bill is he's always a week behind whenever he talks about polling HarlanPepper Apr 2020 #49
Biden has a great record on SS...and there is more to that...if you care to look it up. Demsrule86 Apr 2020 #80
Except for the $1,000,000 he donated to Obama. Gore1FL Apr 2020 #29
So? Dem4Life1102 Apr 2020 #40
I don't think we should be in the business of ostracizing people. Gore1FL Apr 2020 #43
Who is saying anyone should be ostracized? Dem4Life1102 Apr 2020 #51
One need merely pick at random any given anti-Sanders thread . Gore1FL Apr 2020 #62
This is about Bill Maher, not Bernie Sanders. Dem4Life1102 Apr 2020 #65
Are we on the same thread? Gore1FL Apr 2020 #66
And my post was in regard to Maher Dem4Life1102 Apr 2020 #67
Why are we expending ammo on not-friend and not-enemies? Gore1FL Apr 2020 #68
Some of us can walk and chew gum Dem4Life1102 Apr 2020 #69
But why walk in that direction and chew that gum? Gore1FL Apr 2020 #70
Because we should call out lying RW talking points Dem4Life1102 Apr 2020 #72
No...but if we put Maher up against Bloomberg, we're PatrickforO Apr 2020 #48
Who was putting Maher against Bloomberg? Dem4Life1102 Apr 2020 #52
Well, it does not always work out for him - re: Whoopi to Bernie - Why? LVZ Apr 2020 #16
What was his answer? True Blue American Apr 2020 #34
Well, I don't dislike Bernie like so many on here, and I do like his platform. PatrickforO Apr 2020 #18
Well Said, Sir The Magistrate Apr 2020 #23
What you said. Gore1FL Apr 2020 #30
"Unnatural and unfortunate" dislike? question everything Apr 2020 #35
I acknowledge there were Sanders supporters that voted for other candidates besides Clinton in 2016. Gore1FL Apr 2020 #42
Utopia? True Blue American Apr 2020 #36
Indeed. I hear that with the new stimulus package, the bottom line PatrickforO Apr 2020 #45
Media Today, Sir, Likes To See A Contest The Magistrate Apr 2020 #20
Agreed. Conflict. BS is always 'angry'. Especially at Dems. BS's own '3rd way'. empedocles Apr 2020 #26
Couple of things...... MyOwnPeace Apr 2020 #57
Thank You, Sir The Magistrate Apr 2020 #75
They have nothing of note to report on? randr Apr 2020 #27
Remember the days Chainfire Apr 2020 #32
Hey Chainfire! MyOwnPeace Apr 2020 #58
Because Sanders ideas are going to win out, even without the nomination. milestogo Apr 2020 #37
Uh huh. Aquaria Apr 2020 #53
No he hasn't. Warren, Biden, Boxer...etc have all had a bigger impact...his M4A will never become Demsrule86 Apr 2020 #81
I'm not a Sanders fan, but he has been out there for the past 6 years stopbush Apr 2020 #39
And this is different from what Democrats have been saying Aquaria Apr 2020 #55
SOME Democrats have been saying this, hardly all Ds. stopbush Apr 2020 #61
When the ratings come in, they will see Sanders was a bust DenverJared Apr 2020 #44
It's something to talk about customerserviceguy Apr 2020 #47
Velshi Featured That Interview 3x In The Last 48 hours Me. Apr 2020 #54
I think sanders Trying to rally Wisconsin voters that's why he's on tv FloridaBlues Apr 2020 #59
He Wouldn't Be If They Didn't Push It Me. Apr 2020 #73
To create issues treestar Apr 2020 #63
Ratings, ratings, ratings. Controversy sells. degage Apr 2020 #76
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