Populist Reform of the Democratic Party

sabrina 1

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9. Having a challenger to simply try to 'drag Hillary to the Left' should not be a goal. A challenger

Fri Feb 20, 2015, 06:40 PM

Feb 2015

to beat her is what we need. She cannot be dragged away from her Third Way policies, other than to pretend, if they can find the words to 'give impressions' that she is FOR something the Left wants.

Campaign rhetoric isn't going to work for her. Her words will be deliberately confusing on issues her major donors view as important to THEM when they conflict with the views of the Left.

We've already heard some of those confused statements and are not likely to buy them so either she needs to be HONEST and tell us where she really stands, on War on Wall St, on SS, on Education etc without all the think tanks telling her what to say.

Big Money buys the Presidency now. Since that is not in doubt and we know that Big Money will never back a real Progressive Left Leaning Dem like FDR, the question is, 'how do we WIN under these circumstances'?

Should we just give up on the WH races and focus on Congress?

Is the problem insurmountable iow?

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The Case For A Populist Challenger In The Democratic Primaries - Robert L. Borosage/HuffPo [View all] WillyT Feb 2015 OP

"The mainstream media highlight the horse race and the polls, even early,...." antigop Feb 2015 #1

If Hillary went much further left she would be hanging out with Bernie and for me Thinkingabout Feb 2015 #2

Sorry, that simply isn't true. First, Hillary is a Hawk, there is no war the neocons want that she sabrina 1 Feb 2015 #8

It is exactly the truth. You can bring up some differences but you know they stand together on Thinkingabout Feb 2015 #9

The differences are so glaring there really is no point in arguing over it frankly. THIS forum is to sabrina 1 Feb 2015 #12

Be careful when you start talking about Wall Street connections, this is where they get funding. Thinkingabout Feb 2015 #13

WE vote, everyone here votes. The Third Way DOES know this which is why they are working so hard sabrina 1 Feb 2015 #14

I am not crying and complaining about money donated to our candidates and I am not crying Thinkingabout Feb 2015 #15

!?! Phlem Feb 2015 #16

The rope pulling the wagon, huh Thinkingabout Feb 2015 #17

So WTF is in the wagon cause that shit hasn't helped since Phlem Feb 2015 #18

Guess you did not read the post. Thinkingabout Feb 2015 #19

oh please, I read the fricking post. Phlem Feb 2015 #20

I could not make sense out of your questions. Thinkingabout Feb 2015 #21

You acknowledge the gap between the Conservative Third Way and the Left (you say "the Far Left" rhett o rick Feb 2015 #22

I believe in the NSA and the work they do Thinkingabout Feb 2015 #23

I asked which issues you disagreed with the Far Left. rhett o rick Feb 2015 #24

"I believe in the NSA..." holy shit, sounds like religious faith - do you have any oversight whereisjustice Feb 2015 #29

First of all I would like you to define "too far left". What does someone that fits that rhett o rick Feb 2015 #31

And here I thought the far left used to be called Phlem Feb 2015 #3

Yeah... Remember When We Were Pro-Labor, Safety Net, Health Care, etc... WillyT Feb 2015 #4

yep. This notion that pervades dialogue that Democrats are not Phlem Feb 2015 #5

I agree exactly. I have said similar things. How can you enjoy social freedoms standing in soup rhett o rick Feb 2015 #25

+10000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 Phlem Feb 2015 #26

Thanks. As you can tell, I am very passion about feed the nations children. nm rhett o rick Feb 2015 #27

Which was the plan all along nxylas Feb 2015 #7

Mr. building-collapse Yglesias? MisterP Feb 2015 #6

Yglesias is a Third Way product, a Centrist who started out on DK. They used to 'introduce' these sabrina 1 Feb 2015 #11

Having a challenger to simply try to 'drag Hillary to the Left' should not be a goal. A challenger sabrina 1 Feb 2015 #9

Saying that a progressive primary challenger will drag HRC to the Left is absurd at best. rhett o rick Feb 2015 #28

Hillary will be appropriately corporate in order to please the "independents" eom whereisjustice Feb 2015 #30