Populist Reform of the Democratic Party

thesquanderer

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30. Group confusion

Fri Jan 2, 2015, 10:28 AM

Jan 2015

I click on interesting threads that come up on the home page, and (AFAIK) the only way to even *know* that it was posted from within a "group" is if you happen to notice the path line toward the time of the page, which honestly, I hadn't even noticed for years (and still don't usually look at, actually). I wasn't even aware that threads I was replying in often were part of groups in the first place. So I think sometimes when you see these "challenging" replies in "safe havens," the people don't even know they're replying to something in a group. And honestly, until this very post, I didn't even realize that the groups were supposed to be "safe havens" as opposed to simply a way for people who have a particular interest to hone in on just posts relevant to that interest. Is that actually an official purpose of a group? Live and learn... I imagine that is documented somewhere, but people discover a forum, find something of interest, and start to post... Most people probably spend as much time reading a forum's guidelines as they do reading an itunes licensing agreement.

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How is this group a "safe haven?" [View all] merrily Jan 2015 OP

Your powers of observation are working just fine. Corpo-Dem members of DU attack here a lot. Scuba Jan 2015 #1

Thank you, Scuba. I wasn't questioning my own observations on the issue. merrily Jan 2015 #2

the point was DonCoquixote Jan 2015 #5

Not in OUR group demwing Jan 2015 #78

as people as diverse as 1strongblackman and Behind the Aegis can tell you DonCoquixote Jan 2015 #3

His Presidency may have ended but he didn't give up his plan to keep "reforming" "entitlements." merrily Jan 2015 #4

Oh, I expect some left ward talk from her.... daleanime Jan 2015 #62

As do I. I've already seen posts here saying, "Of course, she'll run differently than she did in merrily Jan 2015 #65

Exactly! daleanime Jan 2015 #74

+ 1000 onecaliberal Jan 2015 #54

So what would be the populist purity test? Android3.14 Jan 2015 #6

Case in point. Did you read the OP? It speaks to posting behaviors, not purity tests. merrily Jan 2015 #7

It should be, but you're right it isn't. I was told this group isn't "an echo chamber" RiverLover Jan 2015 #8

Then I have to go back to the subject line of my OP. merrily Jan 2015 #9

Maybe a host can answer that. RiverLover Jan 2015 #11

The BOG and HRC are frail groups Cosmic Kitten Jan 2015 #22

Then why have groups at all? And, again, what is the advantage to merrily Jan 2015 #24

See post #26 Cosmic Kitten Jan 2015 #27

I did. See Reply 34. merrily Jan 2015 #51

Thank you CK, this is exactly the kind of advise demwing Jan 2015 #108

"posters seem to feel a lot freer to contradict and challenge statements in this group than I would" Android3.14 Jan 2015 #39

Participation in a discussion demwing Jan 2015 #109

You post contains a Third Way talking point which was designed to specifically attack sabrina 1 Jan 2015 #29

I'm unsure what your point is Android3.14 Jan 2015 #36

I think the point in the OP is clear. The OP doesn't want this group to turn into GD sabrina 1 Jan 2015 #40

My concern is that people who are fond of the left may own that this group was not created for them, merrily Jan 2015 #46

You are right, the left here understands perfectly what you are saying: sabrina 1 Jan 2015 #57

Amen.... daleanime Jan 2015 #66

Clearly, they are not all avoiding this group, or even avoiding the specific posting merrily Jan 2015 #77

Yes, for some it's difficult to avoid any opportunity to sabrina 1 Jan 2015 #81

I hope so, but I am not sure. merrily Jan 2015 #85

Not only does "the left of the left" understand what I am saying, they've been saying it before I merrily Jan 2015 #116

So what SHOULD be done demwing Jan 2015 #110

My "honest" advice? As opposed to what? merrily Jan 2015 #118

You've made several comments that deserve a response demwing Jan 2015 #119

My post did not say that the safety of this group is totally dependent on the hosts. merrily Jan 2015 #120

You wrote "You took little time to consider to what I spent a fair amount of time thinking about" demwing Jan 2015 #125

My "Proper response"... demwing Jan 2015 #133

You have my greatest admiration. Enthusiast Jan 2015 #64

The OP has already told you twice that it is not about different positions but posting behaviors. merrily Jan 2015 #44

Whenever someone makes a post personal, there is no point in trying to talk to them about sabrina 1 Jan 2015 #70

"is why this group became necessary" But, merrily Jan 2015 #72

So lets correct that! demwing Jan 2015 #111

"I chose not to start this group with a draconian mentality" merrily Jan 2015 #117

No matter what she says, HRC is as establishment/status quo as can be. Enthusiast Jan 2015 #61

merrily, please be patient. Cosmic Kitten Jan 2015 #10

If the hosts believe that this group should be "inclusive," what will being patient do for me? merrily Jan 2015 #15

And Rhett o Rick nxylas Jan 2015 #17

Yes, so did I. They number of hosts increased, which is fine. merrily Jan 2015 #19

What sort of "advantage" are you suggesting? Cosmic Kitten Jan 2015 #26

I am not suggesting any advantage. I am not referring to any advantage, other than the merrily Jan 2015 #34

When someone ANYONE with a progressive bent formally announces ... PassingFair Jan 2015 #12

Rec KG Jan 2015 #13

I give up. What "safe haven" group are you posting about? Hoppy Jan 2015 #14

This one. http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=forum&id=1277 merrily Jan 2015 #16

As a host of the Elizabeth Warren group, I can tell you its a safe haven to a large degree. RiverLover Jan 2015 #18

Hillary/Obama groups, banning, censoring, controlling with authoritarian zeal - that's everything whereisjustice Jan 2015 #105

What? You don't like free speech? vlyons Jan 2015 #20

You are not making a distinction between posting in a group vs. posting elsewhere on the board. merrily Jan 2015 #21

Actually this is NOT a "free speach" zone. Cosmic Kitten Jan 2015 #23

It is if the SOP doesn't say otherwise, but the hosts can do what they want. MADem Jan 2015 #33

This group is for Democrats who oppose Third Way/Right Wing policies. Anyone who agrees with sabrina 1 Jan 2015 #69

The group is pretty well described in its title and the SOP. MADem Jan 2015 #71

If you mean should the hosts start banning people, I believe it was decided to wait sabrina 1 Jan 2015 #76

I meant what I said and nothing more. MADem Jan 2015 #79

I asked a question as your post wasn't clear in terms of what you think sabrina 1 Jan 2015 #84

My post was entirely clear. The hosts can do whatever THEY want. MADem Jan 2015 #86

I don't think you understand this group. The hosts are not 'policing' the group, we don't need sabrina 1 Jan 2015 #90

Well, thank you for speaking so authoritatively for the hosts. I guess. (????) nt MADem Jan 2015 #91

Do you have some disagreement with anything I said, do they? They are free sabrina 1 Jan 2015 #98

Have a nice day, now! nt MADem Jan 2015 #99

I think your post falls into the category the OP is calling out MannyGoldstein Jan 2015 #114

You're right, it's up to the hosts to keep the rules demwing Jan 2015 #107

P.S. The welcome thread does say: merrily Jan 2015 #92

Good for them! They have the right attitude!!! nt MADem Jan 2015 #93

I understand your point of view vlyons Jan 2015 #53

It is not cosmic kitten's point of view. It is the rule for posting in every group on this board. merrily Jan 2015 #58

Where does it say anything about refusing to hear what others want to say? sabrina 1 Jan 2015 #100

You have my compassion. n/t eggplant Jan 2015 #25

It's always interesting to me to see what it takes to get very infrequent posters to post. merrily Jan 2015 #28

I'm not an infrequent poster. vlyons Jan 2015 #55

Your profile says otherwise. merrily Jan 2015 #56

That is a fairly low rate...... daleanime Jan 2015 #68

Not worried at all. Or miffed. Or poutraged. I just do, as I said, find it interesting to note merrily Jan 2015 #80

I'm not that quiet... daleanime Jan 2015 #82

To the best of my recollection, none of your posts has merrily Jan 2015 #83

I thought my reply was obvious, but apparently not. eggplant Jan 2015 #89

I have no objection to infrequent posters per se. I wish I were an infrequent poster and may merrily Jan 2015 #95

Group confusion thesquanderer Jan 2015 #30

By every group's name, including the name of this group, you will see this: merrily Jan 2015 #32

I've never seen that disclaimer. thesquanderer Jan 2015 #47

Well, now you know. merrily Jan 2015 #49

There does not seem to be quite as much confusion about other groups as there is about this one. merrily Jan 2015 #38

I had an identical experience. I accidentally stumbled into a group when I saw something corkhead Jan 2015 #75

Not sure what you're referring to, specifically, but that's the job of the group hosts. MADem Jan 2015 #31

I am not confused about whose job it is. Please see Reply 2. merrily Jan 2015 #35

I didn't think you were confused, but the bottom line is that the hosts decide who can/cannot post MADem Jan 2015 #37

Is your point that my posting an OP was the wrong thing to do? If not, I am not sure merrily Jan 2015 #42

No. No where did I say such a thing. MADem Jan 2015 #43

I am still not clear what you are saying. merrily Jan 2015 #45

Yep, that's it. Whatever. Hopefully they will give you your answer. nt MADem Jan 2015 #50

Trying to get consensus among five hosts by pm'ing them, one by one, is "it," in your opinion? merrily Jan 2015 #52

No--you could PM the lead host and let them figure it out, if you'd like. But do what you want. MADem Jan 2015 #73

Thanks, but starting this thread is what I wanted to do and I have already done that. merrily Jan 2015 #88

The hosts will probably have to start booting the Turd Way and the Fan Club at some point Doctor_J Jan 2015 #41

I had recommended this group to a couple of leftists who had left DU in disgust about how the left merrily Jan 2015 #48

I am in that group. onecaliberal Jan 2015 #59

AFAIK, you are not in the group that I contacted. Other than that, I know what you mean. merrily Jan 2015 #60

I guess I will disregard the DU mail confirming I'm in the group. onecaliberal Jan 2015 #63

? I am referring to people I pm'd and emailed. I have nothing to do with DU mail. merrily Jan 2015 #67

AS the founding host, my intention was simple demwing Jan 2015 #87

I have complained right on a thread where this was occurring and discussed it on that thread merrily Jan 2015 #94

Just to clarify, if needed: I have zero doubt that your intentions and those of all the hosts are merrily Jan 2015 #103

This message was self-deleted by its author Corruption Inc Jan 2015 #96

I disagree. People who wish to avoid criticism of Obama or debating about their praise of him are merrily Jan 2015 #97

I refer you to 1strongblakman DonCoquixote Jan 2015 #113

The hosts allowed it? If so, why? But, my OP is not about outsiders, just DUers who come to this merrily Jan 2015 #115

Mods can ban the worst offenders from posting in the group Warpy Jan 2015 #101

How confined are the hosts really, to only the so-called "worst" offenders? merrily Jan 2015 #102

I agree BrotherIvan Jan 2015 #104

I don't think this group is open to the same shit as GD. I think we'll see some of the sabrina 1 Jan 2015 #106

I've already seen the ones who insist the most on their safe havens BrotherIvan Jan 2015 #112

Well at least one benefit was pointed out to me, namely having a lot of threads on the same topic merrily Jan 2015 #121

This thread has run it's course Cosmic Kitten Jan 2015 #122

As a host, Cosmic Kitten, I can support locking this thread as having "run its course". NYC_SKP Jan 2015 #123

This message was self-deleted by its author aspirant Jan 2015 #126

Please drop this now demwing Jan 2015 #128

Do Not Lock this thread till I have a chance to respond to Post #118 demwing Jan 2015 #127

Sounds good! NYC_SKP Jan 2015 #130

As a host, I have a question aspirant Jan 2015 #124

Good question! If I might.... NYC_SKP Jan 2015 #129

I had a slightly different take on this subject demwing Jan 2015 #131

I agree, and don't think it's too sensitive. NYC_SKP Jan 2015 #132

Locking demwing Jan 2015 #134