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goldent

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17. There is another book about near death experience coming out
Thu Mar 28, 2013, 09:57 PM
Mar 2013

The book is called "Erasing Death: The Science That Is Rewriting the Boundaries Between Life and Death"

There was a very interesting interview with the author on NPR a couple months back. The author is a critical care doctor and director of resuscitation research and thus hears "near death" stories from patients.

Some excepts I liked (from the link above):

What we study is not people who are near death," Parnia tells Fresh Air's Terry Gross. "We study people who have objectively died. ... And therefore what we've understood is that the experience that these people have of going beyond the threshold of death, entering the period after death for the first few tens of minutes or hours of time, provides us with an indication of what we're all likely to experience when we go through death."


The question that drives his research, he says, is: "Is there a reason why people are having these experiences? For instance, could it signify that somehow these people had had better-quality resuscitation of the brain?"


"The experience that people have is very personal and it's very real to them. So, for most people who've gone through these experiences, as far as they're concerned, what they've experienced is absolutely real. They've described and seen something of the other side. Now, for those of us who haven't had the experience, it's impossible to verify that, but in the same way that, for instance, if a patient comes to me and says, 'I have depression,' it would be completely unacceptable for me as a physician to simply discard that experience and say, 'Well, I don't think [so]. You may feel that you're depressed, but actually it's an illusion of having depression or you're hallucinating. Your depression, it's not really real.' So we have to remember that to the people who've had the experience, it's real to them."


I remember from the interview that he did not claim any religious connection to these experiences, but did speculate about the existence of a soul/spirit/mind/psyche that is distinct from the brain, to explain some of the contradictions of these experiences. He also said his belief is that people should not fear death; on the other hand, he said suicide survivors generally had much more disturbing experiences that were not positive.

Edit to add: One other fascinating thing I remember from the interview is that about 10-20% of people report near death experiences (he thinks it could be more but often it can be a long time after resuscitation before the patient is conscious and the memory may be lost). Anyhow, some small percentage of these people report out-of-body experiences. In his hospital he has placed hidden objects in emergency rooms (only visible from above) to see if anyone reporting an out-of-body experience can identify them. Due to the rarity of this, it will take some time to get any useful results.

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As a life long migraine sufferer, I can assure all that is no proof of heaven--though maybe of hell. hlthe2b Mar 2013 #1
I had migraines for a time and my aura consisted of bizarre visual hallucinations. cbayer Mar 2013 #3
I have a seizure disorder, medically controlled now. But when I was having episodes, I've got to say pinto Mar 2013 #11
Who knows for sure? I read the review of the neurosurgeon's book a while back cbayer Mar 2013 #2
He must be a crappy neurosurgeon if he believes he saw heaven Apophis Mar 2013 #4
Well, kentauros Mar 2013 #5
Thats too bad that you feel that way about Shermer. He is all about facts and the science behind it cleanhippie Mar 2013 #25
I am not sure how the two are related. cbayer Mar 2013 #7
NDEs are easily explainable. Apophis Mar 2013 #8
Not all that easily explained. There is still a lot not known, particularly cbayer Mar 2013 #9
The simple explanation skepticscott Mar 2013 #16
I am asking you politely to leave me alone. cbayer Mar 2013 #26
It is my understanding skepticscott Mar 2013 #27
I have not said anything about that. I am simply and politely asking that you leave me alone. cbayer Mar 2013 #28
Then I guess I don't understand what that means skepticscott Mar 2013 #29
For the third time, I am asking that you leave me alone. cbayer Mar 2013 #30
If you're asking skepticscott Mar 2013 #33
Let me try to explain the difference between a 'safe haven' group and other groups. grantcart Mar 2013 #41
Forgive me if I'm confused skepticscott Mar 2013 #43
Are you really that obtuse? grantcart Mar 2013 #44
I have brought no past antagonisms here skepticscott Mar 2013 #45
Discussion, yes. kentauros Mar 2013 #39
As a host and co-founder of this effort, allow me to associate myself with your comments. nt MADem Mar 2013 #40
As I read that skepticscott Mar 2013 #42
As far as I and the rest of the hosts are concerned, kentauros Mar 2013 #46
There's certainly still a lot unknown about consciousness. Jim__ Mar 2013 #31
Agree. We've come so far in the last 50 years in terms of cbayer Mar 2013 #34
Here's a link to the video of the Larry King episode. Jim__ Mar 2013 #6
I had migraines for thirty years okasha Mar 2013 #10
Would love to hear more about NA takes on visions. Are they seen in a religious context? pinto Mar 2013 #12
A vision in NA terms okasha Mar 2013 #13
Thanks. pinto Mar 2013 #14
The memories of near death experiences: More real than reality? Jim__ Mar 2013 #15
There is another book about near death experience coming out goldent Mar 2013 #17
Not sure how people who have "objectively died" skepticscott Mar 2013 #19
I agree you could claim they never died based on the definition of the word goldent Mar 2013 #22
Again, this is most likely just a problem with his tools skepticscott Mar 2013 #23
Well, it is a fascinating subject goldent Mar 2013 #37
An interesting scientific study of near death experiences goldent Mar 2013 #18
The operative word here is probably "measurable" skepticscott Mar 2013 #20
Yes, it could be that the brain is working even when their is no activity. goldent Mar 2013 #21
Well, there's either brain activity or there isn't skepticscott Mar 2013 #24
"Well, there's either brain activity or there isn't" goldent Mar 2013 #35
What we can say is skepticscott Mar 2013 #36
To be more precise... goldent Mar 2013 #38
Art and religion are a match made in heaven... TreasonousBastard Mar 2013 #32
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