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AtheistCrusader

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19. *There* have had a great deal more success, with Americans.
Mon Oct 13, 2014, 12:40 AM
Oct 2014

It's not pleasant though. It mostly involves showing people, clearly, and in a very succinct form, uncomfortable things like

1. How this nation treats returning vets.
2. Conditions on the ground abroad.
3. The flow of money through the pentagon, and the waste churn on the other side.
4. Failed states in the wake of our nation building efforts.

That first item almost never fails to resonate powerfully with that target audience. But you have to be quick about it. Basically it needs to be accompanied with an element of surprise, so their jingoistic barriers come down for a moment, and they actually *look* at the evidence.

It's tricky, but in many ways, it's a much easier order than the religion thing, whichever religious subject might be at hand. (Or whatever subject that might be hiding behind religion)

The waste thing... Easy peasy.

Sixteen unusable transport aircraft that the U.S. government bought for the Afghan Air Force have been scrapped for pennies on the dollar, according to the Special Inspector General for Afghanistan Reconstruction.

All told, the Defense Department spent $486 million for 20 G222 planes, of which 16 were sold as scrap to an Afghan construction company for about $32,000, the office announced Thursday in a news release. The remaining four planes are being stored at Ramstein Air Base in Germany.


Pennies on the dollar is a misnomer, in this case. That's actually FAR less than one cent per dollar.

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I saw this interesting Venn Diagram in GD. cbayer Oct 2014 #1
Great diagram. hrmjustin Oct 2014 #2
I have a Kurdish acquaintance CJCRANE Oct 2014 #3
Yes. i think many of the people who attached themselves to ISIS did it for political reasons. hrmjustin Oct 2014 #4
Well, that would be true in any case. AtheistCrusader Oct 2014 #6
Paris 1919 the time was right the ideas were right but the world did nothing. Leontius Oct 2014 #11
I think after the recent Iraq war was another opportunity, to address this. AtheistCrusader Oct 2014 #12
The simple fact is many parts of the globe where Muslims are in the majority GeorgeGist Oct 2014 #5
However I get the feeling CJCRANE Oct 2014 #7
You might consider rethinking some of that. Act_of_Reparation Oct 2014 #8
I think with liberal democracy, civil right protections, and a stronger rule of law hrmjustin Oct 2014 #9
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We need to stay out too. AtheistCrusader Oct 2014 #13
Absolutely Act_of_Reparation Oct 2014 #14
Helping kick over the Iranian Government in 1952 didn't help matters either. AtheistCrusader Oct 2014 #15
I don't think Shia Islamism can be lumped together with Sunni Islamism Act_of_Reparation Oct 2014 #16
Fair enough, but. AtheistCrusader Oct 2014 #17
How do you disabuse uberpatriots of their jingoism? rug Oct 2014 #18
*There* have had a great deal more success, with Americans. AtheistCrusader Oct 2014 #19
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