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Act_of_Reparation

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10. It would be too little, too late. The damage is done.
Tue Oct 7, 2014, 09:49 PM
Oct 2014

Even if liberal democracy were to appear in Saudi Arabia tomorrow, it wouldn't help. Because then you'd have a significant portion of the population throwing their lot behind Islamist candidates, who have no intention of upholding the foundational tenets of liberal democracy. This is exactly why the Arab Spring failed in Egypt. The Egyptians came together, ousted the Mubarak government, and then promptly empowered Islamists whose agenda included legitimizing Islamic law, across the board.

There's no easy solution to this problem. The road ahead is so bumpy and ill-defined, I can't even begin to speculate as to what the correct course would be. Each country is different, each country's problems are different, and each country's religious climate is different. While secularism is -- I would argue obviously -- the only truly fair relationship between government and religion, there's no certain path to getting there with things as they stand today. The Islamists are certain they are correct; it is absolutely foolish to think they can be rationalized out of their positions. Any attempt to liberalize the countries in which they hold significant sway -- even if they are a minority -- will be met with hostility.

In an event, I don't think the situation is hopeless. The Middle East will have no choice but to secularize at some point. But don't expect an easy fix, much less a peaceful one. Things are probably going to get a lot worse before they get better.

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I saw this interesting Venn Diagram in GD. cbayer Oct 2014 #1
Great diagram. hrmjustin Oct 2014 #2
I have a Kurdish acquaintance CJCRANE Oct 2014 #3
Yes. i think many of the people who attached themselves to ISIS did it for political reasons. hrmjustin Oct 2014 #4
Well, that would be true in any case. AtheistCrusader Oct 2014 #6
Paris 1919 the time was right the ideas were right but the world did nothing. Leontius Oct 2014 #11
I think after the recent Iraq war was another opportunity, to address this. AtheistCrusader Oct 2014 #12
The simple fact is many parts of the globe where Muslims are in the majority GeorgeGist Oct 2014 #5
However I get the feeling CJCRANE Oct 2014 #7
You might consider rethinking some of that. Act_of_Reparation Oct 2014 #8
I think with liberal democracy, civil right protections, and a stronger rule of law hrmjustin Oct 2014 #9
It would be too little, too late. The damage is done. Act_of_Reparation Oct 2014 #10
We need to stay out too. AtheistCrusader Oct 2014 #13
Absolutely Act_of_Reparation Oct 2014 #14
Helping kick over the Iranian Government in 1952 didn't help matters either. AtheistCrusader Oct 2014 #15
I don't think Shia Islamism can be lumped together with Sunni Islamism Act_of_Reparation Oct 2014 #16
Fair enough, but. AtheistCrusader Oct 2014 #17
How do you disabuse uberpatriots of their jingoism? rug Oct 2014 #18
*There* have had a great deal more success, with Americans. AtheistCrusader Oct 2014 #19
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