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Meshuga

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10. The argument from the article is not to say the bible is a good book
Thu Mar 21, 2013, 07:45 AM
Mar 2013

If a person reads this article (and does not stop at the title for counter arguments) he/she will see that the author is not arguing that the bible was never used for malevolent means and never used to discriminate against homosexuals. That use for the bible cannot be denied and it isn't being denied here. Instead, the author is using biblical scholarship to show that it is not so easy to come up with an "orthodox" interpretation since the bible does not address the nature of homosexuality and whether the nature of homosexuality is right or wrong.

What the bible does address in a few instances is that the act of male with male sexual intercourse is strictly prohibited. Prohibited enough to call it an abomination and prescribe the death penalty for those caught in the act in the same way the bible calls for the death of those Hebrews who are caught not keeping the sabbath.

Having sex with your wife while she has her period is also biblically prohibited. But I don't think the writers of this rule were after a class of individuals whose nature was to have period sex. In the same way that the writers of the "no male-on-male sex intercourse" rule had no beef with people whose nature was to be attracted with members of the same sex.

That is because homosexuality was not an issue back in those days. According to biblical scholarship, the issue was likely due to a rejection of local pagan practices that involved men having sex with other men as part of religious rituals. Thus, the harsh prohibition from the priestly class who wrote the text.

Explain this to someone who claims to have an orthodox interpretation of the bible and he or she will dismiss it as "interpretation." But what the author is offering is not religious interpretation. It is scholarship that should be used not only to question what is written but also to counter the hateful who claim orthodox interpretation to use the bible to discriminate against groups of people.

The author is not merely arguing from scripture like the quote you provide alleges. He goes beyond scripture by using arguments from scholars who study the bible for its historical context, looking for clues to answer question regarding context and motives in a scholarly way as opposed to religiously.

Biblical scholarship does not apologize for the bible. Instead, it shows that it is not the magically holy book as some may interpret it to be. It exposes myths and tries to explain them in the context of their time.

So the canned answer from the quote you provide does not really refute or address what the author is trying to say. And what the article has to say is actually a great way to dismiss those who use the bible as justification for hate.

But it is hard to use biblical scholarship to support arguments when people refuse to accept it and then (for whatever reason) dismiss it in favor of their own orthodoxy whether the orthodoxy is religious or not.

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Don't Blame It on the Bible [View all] cbayer Mar 2013 OP
Whitewashing. n/t Plantaganet Mar 2013 #1
Not sure what you are saying. cbayer Mar 2013 #2
I'm saying that the Bible unequivocally condemns homosexuality. Plantaganet Mar 2013 #3
Seems like you are dismissing some pretty hefty arguments too easily. cbayer Mar 2013 #4
Plagiarism is regrettable - Plantaganet Mar 2013 #7
The only ptoblem with this quote okasha Mar 2013 #8
Using the word "twaddle" twice definitely solidifies your argument. Well done. Plantaganet Mar 2013 #9
Admittedly, it's concise, okasha Mar 2013 #13
Like Shakespeare? Plantaganet Mar 2013 #14
Either interpretation can be supported okasha Mar 2013 #16
You misunderstand. Plantaganet Mar 2013 #20
Allow me to clarify. okasha Mar 2013 #21
I can. Plantaganet Mar 2013 #22
Your original text also states, verbatim, okasha Mar 2013 #23
Try reading the entire post again. A few times. n/t Plantaganet Mar 2013 #24
Already done. okasha Mar 2013 #26
I disagree with your claim Meshuga Mar 2013 #25
That argument only holds skepticscott Mar 2013 #15
Actually, your point is irrelevant okasha Mar 2013 #17
Are you saying that the interpretation of the Bible skepticscott Mar 2013 #18
The article posted in the OP okasha Mar 2013 #19
You didn't really answer the question skepticscott Mar 2013 #27
In textual criticism, okasha Mar 2013 #28
The argument from the article is not to say the bible is a good book Meshuga Mar 2013 #10
Excellent post. You said it so much better than I could. cbayer Mar 2013 #12
I don't see that the argument is being made that the bible is necessarily a good book. cbayer Mar 2013 #11
Pretty interesting. PETRUS Mar 2013 #5
I thought it was interesting as well. cbayer Mar 2013 #6
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