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15. The prevailing law

Sun Mar 17, 2013, 01:32 PM

Mar 2013

is that promotion or endorsement of religion by representatives of the government is unconstitutional (i.e. the establishment clause outweighs free expression in those cases). Yes, religion is singled out, because the framers knew that there was much more potential for mischief and abuse by government entanglement in religion than in art or science, for example.

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Mississippi governor signs bill giving religion "limited public forum" in public schools [View all] cbayer Mar 2013 OP

The devil is in the details, which I think is what the ACLU is saying... goldent Mar 2013 #1

Exactly skepticscott Mar 2013 #3

I think they may becoming more popular goldent Mar 2013 #5

It's certainly true that skepticscott Mar 2013 #7

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Someone isn't dealing with reality... cyberswede Mar 2013 #36

Wow...didn't even get to see that one skepticscott Mar 2013 #40

Your key words are... cyberswede Mar 2013 #41

Yeah, kinda figured that out skepticscott Mar 2013 #42

I'm not sure how this law changes anything, but others seem to think it does. cbayer Mar 2013 #6

I think that makes sense too. They should keep an eye on the situation. liberal_at_heart Mar 2013 #48

Agree. I'm going to defer to the ACLU on this at this point. cbayer Mar 2013 #49

My take. The two keystones of the 1st amendment in this situation are these - pinto Mar 2013 #11

The prevailing law skepticscott Mar 2013 #15

Yeah, I think we agree here. pinto Mar 2013 #23

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Good grief! hootinholler Mar 2013 #32

FYI: AUTOMATED MESSAGE: Results of your Jury Service aikoaiko Mar 2013 #34

"freedom of the Christian Religion" hrmjustin Mar 2013 #35

I am just responding to check if my postings are coming up. hrmjustin Mar 2013 #39

Art etc is OK, but no religious clubs on school time nt Thats my opinion Mar 2013 #43

And the details are where it gets challenging... MADem Mar 2013 #45

I read the full text of the bill and it seems to apply totally to student's expression goldent Mar 2013 #46

Oh sure....the "mission creep," as it were, usually comes from the odd activist, looking to push the MADem Mar 2013 #47

I think the problem will come down to the level of academic vigor in science. freshwest Mar 2013 #2

Good points. While this is worded to sound like it might be an anti-discrimination cbayer Mar 2013 #8

Your question defines the problem - youth are more conformists - it's a survival skill. freshwest Mar 2013 #16

"students may also organize religious groups and activities before, during and after school" pinto Mar 2013 #4

Good pick up on the "during" part. cbayer Mar 2013 #9

I'd support a constitutional stance on all public funding of religious orgs in public schools. pinto Mar 2013 #13

Sounds like an entre porte arrière for church trolling in science class. nt rrneck Mar 2013 #10

That is how freshwest read it as well and you are most likely correct. cbayer Mar 2013 #12

I don't see it applying much to science goldent Mar 2013 #19

Some states are actually using textbooks that teach creationism and cbayer Mar 2013 #25

I didn't see this bill having affect on curriculum - although I didn't see the actual wording goldent Mar 2013 #27

Hopefully it is that benign and the ACLU is taking a wait and see attitude. cbayer Mar 2013 #28

If the box in exspanded to include a six day a creation, what then? nt Thats my opinion Mar 2013 #44

does "discrimination" include, e.g. a failing grade in biology? Warren Stupidity Mar 2013 #14

That's a good question and may be the crux of this issue. cbayer Mar 2013 #17

No, and this is not a new problem goldent Mar 2013 #21

I had to look up the Cliff Clavin reference. cbayer Mar 2013 #22

Well, there's one of the issues skepticscott Mar 2013 #24

"... and those barriers, I believe, is a facade ...." Jim__ Mar 2013 #18

Lol. Mississippi schools already have serious problems, as you probably already know. cbayer Mar 2013 #20

Well, but who's "they"? skepticscott Mar 2013 #26

We don't know the background... TreasonousBastard Mar 2013 #29

Looking at who is backing it, I don't think they ever considered the Sikh, Jews or Muslims. cbayer Mar 2013 #30

I took a "Bible as Literature" class in college that a few Fundamentalist students made intolerable. hunter Mar 2013 #37

I guess a more experienced professor could have turned this into a lively debate... cbayer Mar 2013 #38

That's something which marymccord Jul 2013 #50

what does your link have to do with the topic of the OP? NRaleighLiberal Jul 2013 #51