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okasha

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15. Two points:
Mon Aug 5, 2013, 03:12 PM
Aug 2013

1. How could they possibly know if it were Jesus' cross or not? It's not as if someone could--or would--carry off a piece of it as a souvenir, and these things were used and re-used over and over again. "Jesus's cross" would also be the cross of any number of other anti-Roman resisters who were executed by the occupation governor.

2. There are two mentions of Jesus in Josephus that, unlike the Testemonium passage, are generally accepted by actual scholars. Now that Oded Golan has been found not guilty of forging the "James son of Josephy brother of Jesus" on the James ossuary and its antiquity has been established, it is very likely that we do in fact have artifactual as well as textual evidence of his existence.

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How could they possibly come to that conclusion? Squinch Aug 2013 #1
This message was self-deleted by its author hrmjustin Aug 2013 #2
I'm not saying that faith is misplaced. I am stating the fact that there is no physical evidence Squinch Aug 2013 #3
Ok fair point. I tend to think it is not the real thing myself but it would be something if it was. hrmjustin Aug 2013 #4
No worries. Squinch Aug 2013 #5
Thank you. I hate acting like a hall monitor at times. hrmjustin Aug 2013 #7
Two points: okasha Aug 2013 #15
Thank you for posting this here. kentauros Aug 2013 #6
Your welcome. My opinion is that you really can not prove either way if it is genuine. hrmjustin Aug 2013 #8
Well, as Squinch pointed out, kentauros Aug 2013 #9
That was the OP that said that. I want to go back in there but I know they hrmjustin Aug 2013 #10
Okay, thanks for the correction. kentauros Aug 2013 #11
Thanks. hrmjustin Aug 2013 #12
Interesting isn't it that the whole point of faith is belief when there is no proof. NRaleighLiberal Aug 2013 #13
Your welcome! hrmjustin Aug 2013 #14
Just out of curiosity-- okasha Aug 2013 #16
because then it would not require faith, in principle...without stating my belief or lack thereof NRaleighLiberal Aug 2013 #17
Sorry, still puzzled. okasha Aug 2013 #18
One state of mind tells me that if proof were possible, it would be too easy - NRaleighLiberal Aug 2013 #19
Probably not. jeepnstein Aug 2013 #20
There are enough pieces of "the true cross" to build a ship Fortinbras Armstrong Aug 2013 #21
It will be interesting to see what results come out of the dating processs goldent Aug 2013 #22
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