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jimmy the one

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24. the bigger picture
Wed Oct 23, 2013, 02:13 PM
Oct 2013

lurkso: Whether or not the drop in the crime rate, especially the overall murder can be attributed to more guns or not is debatable .. However since the murder rate has been decreasing steadily while gun ownership has gone up shows that more guns does not lead to more murders.

Selectively picking mid 90's as the start year produces that result for you, but guns have increased about 300% (quadrupling) since the early 60's -- that big bulge in the center of the gun death bell curve is the quarter million gundeaths since early 60's, dwarfing 9/11, pearl harbor & all the school shootings combined.
.. The murder rate in 1962 was about 4.6 (guns ~3.0), stayed above 8.0 from 1971 - 1995 peaking at 10.2 in 1980, all while guns were tripling from 75 million to ~225 million.
.. From early 60's to mid 1970s both the national gunstock & the murder/gunmurder rate doubled (75 million to 150 million guns, 4.5 to ~9.0).
.. Certainly other factors play into it, drugs as others mentioned, lead in gas & paint etc, but guns enhanced the carnage.

In early 1960's the national violent crime rate was 160, then guns doubled & tripled & the violent crime rate peaked at 758 in 1991 & stayed above 500 for over 20 years.
.. In 2011 the violent crime rate rests at 386, a 150% increase from 1960's, while national gunstock went from 75 millions to ~300 millions.
.. Duh, the bigger picture MORE GUNS MORE CRIME. (this applies to both progun states & gc states, with few exceptions like NY & VA).
http://www.disastercenter.com/crime/uscrime.htm

But, adherents to the 2nd Amendment Mythology manipulate facts to their propagunda all the time - whereas, while total guns in USA have indeed increased to 300 million, the personal gun ownership rate has dropped from over 40% last century down to ~33% now, which is the better explanation why murder rates & violent crime rates have fallen since mid 90's.

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Hmmm...right about the time that righties were wailing about how everybody should go out Downtown Hound Oct 2013 #1
Oh no, we can't come to that conclusion without a 20 year study Hoyt Oct 2013 #2
Jeez, are we sure about this? Paladin Oct 2013 #3
It's the FBI & DOJ statistics telling us that the murder rate has been Lurks Often Oct 2013 #4
More guns than ever in the hands of lunatics. That's what I know. Paladin Oct 2013 #5
We need to address the social, economic and mental health issues that cause violence Lurks Often Oct 2013 #6
Just a word billh58 Oct 2013 #8
Are you that afraid of rational discussion? n/t Lurks Often Oct 2013 #9
No, not at all, billh58 Oct 2013 #13
The process of obtaining a gun is different in every state Downtown Hound Oct 2013 #10
One of the best examples billh58 Oct 2013 #15
That was insightful Kolesar Oct 2013 #26
Glad you enjoyed billh58 Oct 2013 #27
Not entirely correct Lurks Often Oct 2013 #16
Actually it IS entirely correct Downtown Hound Oct 2013 #20
The Gungeoneers never billh58 Oct 2013 #7
Whether or not the drop in the crime rate, especially the overall murder Lurks Often Oct 2013 #11
Bullshit Downtown Hound Oct 2013 #12
Supposition on your part Lurks Often Oct 2013 #18
Actually I don't fail to address those issues Downtown Hound Oct 2013 #21
That one even would need a study to determine that more guns result in more deaths BainsBane Oct 2013 #25
The main reason billh58 Oct 2013 #14
So much for rational discussion Lurks Often Oct 2013 #17
The NRA, and those billh58 Oct 2013 #19
how to make a more valid comparison jimmy the one Oct 2013 #22
the bigger picture jimmy the one Oct 2013 #24
Yet despite that, mass shootings have increased. BainsBane Oct 2013 #23
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