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jimmy the one

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22. how to make a more valid comparison
Wed Oct 23, 2013, 01:44 PM
Oct 2013

lurkso: If your premise was true, Washington DC, which still has some of the strictest gun laws in the country should be fairly free of gun violence and it is not.
In contrast you have Vermont, which has very liberal gun laws and it has very fun {few} gun deaths every year


Invalid, you contrast a small rural state with a city, generally nothing meaningful comes from a state to city comparison.
DC has a population density about 10,000 per square mile, Vermont maybe 50, & Vermont's largest city Burlington iirc about 40,000 while DC has ~550,000 peoples. Vermont is maybe 95% white while DC is about 70/30 B/W, so Vermont doesn't have much racial problem.
DC is the nation's capital full of intrigue & carpetbaggers & high minded ladder climbers & ted cruz infiltrators - Vermont people go for vacation to get away from big cities like DC.

Might surprise you that 8 of the top ten states with the highest violent crime rates are PRO GUN states. More guns more lies.
And, 2011: city ---- viol crime rate .... murder & nn-MS:
Washington DC ....... 1,177.9 ................... 13.9 (2012 stats exception)
New York City ...............639.3 ........................5.1 (2012 exception)
Chicago: .................. 1,061.0 ......................15.9 {18.5 2012}
Memphis PROGUN: .... 1,583.5 ......................17.9
Nashville PROGUN ..... 1,181.3 ........................8.2
Miami PROGUN ......... 1,197.6 .......................16.8
Kansas City Mo PROGUN .. 1,199.7 .................23.4
Atlanta PROGUN Ga......1,432.8 ......................20.7
St Louis Mo PROGUN ....1,856.7 ......................35.3
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_cities_by_crime_rate

Chicago, DC, & NYC are guncontrol cities of course; Making a VALID comparison of large city to moderate-large city, we see that DC isn't doing so bad at all compared to several PRO GUN heavyweights, either at parity or better than most. And who done did the bestest? GUN CONTROL New York City that's who, well below all the others, & with that evil gun control genius bloomy at the helm too.
I cherry picked pro gun cities of course, only to offset unfair criticism aimed at Chicago & DC which also get cherry picked by gun-gurus & gunbrats.

(I think Wikipedia just came out with 2012 stats last week or so, my chart was lifted from a post on rkba where I used 2011 data, but a quick check on the cities above showed little difference in the 2 years.)

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Hmmm...right about the time that righties were wailing about how everybody should go out Downtown Hound Oct 2013 #1
Oh no, we can't come to that conclusion without a 20 year study Hoyt Oct 2013 #2
Jeez, are we sure about this? Paladin Oct 2013 #3
It's the FBI & DOJ statistics telling us that the murder rate has been Lurks Often Oct 2013 #4
More guns than ever in the hands of lunatics. That's what I know. Paladin Oct 2013 #5
We need to address the social, economic and mental health issues that cause violence Lurks Often Oct 2013 #6
Just a word billh58 Oct 2013 #8
Are you that afraid of rational discussion? n/t Lurks Often Oct 2013 #9
No, not at all, billh58 Oct 2013 #13
The process of obtaining a gun is different in every state Downtown Hound Oct 2013 #10
One of the best examples billh58 Oct 2013 #15
That was insightful Kolesar Oct 2013 #26
Glad you enjoyed billh58 Oct 2013 #27
Not entirely correct Lurks Often Oct 2013 #16
Actually it IS entirely correct Downtown Hound Oct 2013 #20
The Gungeoneers never billh58 Oct 2013 #7
Whether or not the drop in the crime rate, especially the overall murder Lurks Often Oct 2013 #11
Bullshit Downtown Hound Oct 2013 #12
Supposition on your part Lurks Often Oct 2013 #18
Actually I don't fail to address those issues Downtown Hound Oct 2013 #21
That one even would need a study to determine that more guns result in more deaths BainsBane Oct 2013 #25
The main reason billh58 Oct 2013 #14
So much for rational discussion Lurks Often Oct 2013 #17
The NRA, and those billh58 Oct 2013 #19
how to make a more valid comparison jimmy the one Oct 2013 #22
the bigger picture jimmy the one Oct 2013 #24
Yet despite that, mass shootings have increased. BainsBane Oct 2013 #23
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