Gun Control Reform Activism

Downtown Hound

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12. Bullshit

Tue Oct 22, 2013, 10:32 AM

Oct 2013

Murder rates spiked in the 80's and early 90's largely because of the crack cocaine wars. Crack was a new drug (which some people, including myself, believe was imported by the CIA to fund illegal wars in Central and South America) and cities became war zones while the gangs who sold it fleshed out their turfs. When the crack wars subsided (decreasing popularity of the drug, turf zones settled, gang leaders imprisoned) murder rates started dropping and have continued ever since. However, the availability of guns in America has continued to make our nation a much more violent place than it would be otherwise. Were guns not so available, we have even less murders.

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Active-shooter incidents have tripled since 2009: Holder [View all] billh58 Oct 2013 OP

Hmmm...right about the time that righties were wailing about how everybody should go out Downtown Hound Oct 2013 #1

Oh no, we can't come to that conclusion without a 20 year study Hoyt Oct 2013 #2

Jeez, are we sure about this? Paladin Oct 2013 #3

It's the FBI & DOJ statistics telling us that the murder rate has been Lurks Often Oct 2013 #4

More guns than ever in the hands of lunatics. That's what I know. Paladin Oct 2013 #5

We need to address the social, economic and mental health issues that cause violence Lurks Often Oct 2013 #6

Just a word billh58 Oct 2013 #8

Are you that afraid of rational discussion? n/t Lurks Often Oct 2013 #9

No, not at all, billh58 Oct 2013 #13

The process of obtaining a gun is different in every state Downtown Hound Oct 2013 #10

One of the best examples billh58 Oct 2013 #15

That was insightful Kolesar Oct 2013 #26

Glad you enjoyed billh58 Oct 2013 #27

Not entirely correct Lurks Often Oct 2013 #16

Actually it IS entirely correct Downtown Hound Oct 2013 #20

The Gungeoneers never billh58 Oct 2013 #7

Whether or not the drop in the crime rate, especially the overall murder Lurks Often Oct 2013 #11

Bullshit Downtown Hound Oct 2013 #12

Supposition on your part Lurks Often Oct 2013 #18

Actually I don't fail to address those issues Downtown Hound Oct 2013 #21

That one even would need a study to determine that more guns result in more deaths BainsBane Oct 2013 #25

The main reason billh58 Oct 2013 #14

So much for rational discussion Lurks Often Oct 2013 #17

The NRA, and those billh58 Oct 2013 #19

how to make a more valid comparison jimmy the one Oct 2013 #22

the bigger picture jimmy the one Oct 2013 #24

Yet despite that, mass shootings have increased. BainsBane Oct 2013 #23