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Decoy of Fenris

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10. Sure, I'll take the bait on this one, CT.
Thu Sep 26, 2013, 08:55 PM
Sep 2013

Although, to the RKBA group's credit, about three quarters of them are preemptively banned over here. And to Robb's credit, maybe if Robb posted this in RKBA, he'd get more RKBA responses, but I'd wager he doesn't want that.


Back on topic,

I don't think this study is any particular surprise, Yankee, but like NRA-sponsored studies, it will draw what conclusions it wishes while ignoring specific variables. The thesis is skewed, the data is cherry-picked and the method is flawed, with the source material cited being incomplete and selectively included based on arbitrary parameters set by the "study" group. The conclusions of the study itself is little more than masturbatory grandstanding.

That's a shame, because the point they're trying to make is a good one, but they're going about all the wrong methods to accomplish it.




I'd wager you also didn't want a critique on the study, either, so let's give you the topical discussion you -wanted-.

Yes, I think it's something of an unspoken truth that those who are more likely to commit domestic violence are those who have a higher chance of owning/operating a firearm, but they're not made into violent offenders because of a firearm; the gun is an easy-access focal point for rage. These people, domestic abusers, are -already- prone to violent action, and the gun only amplifies it. I think this is a case of Correlation and Causation:


People more inclined towards violence, both in and out of the home, are also more likely to purchase or use a firearm, but the gun doesn't make them more violent, just more deadly. This is where the Gun Control side and the RKBA side need to breach the gap.

I know Krispos posted up a brief blurb on effective gun control that was, for the most part, well received. I'm working on one myself, using Krispos' as a framework, and I know a few other RKBAers have been piddling around with drafted legislation. Maybe the RKBA could pitch ideas back and forth with you guys here, maybe finding common ground on our respective advancements on the issue of violence prevention?



And just for fun, mate: The answer you were expecting to hear from an RKBA-er:

"Whurrderp, gunz! GUUUUUN!"


I hope you're pleasantly surprised.

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Hmm...I wonder if our RKBA folk here at DU will comment on this post, Robb... CTyankee Sep 2013 #1
this kind of stuff doesn't bother them as much as being called gun humpers does Skittles Sep 2013 #7
Sure, I'll take the bait on this one, CT. Decoy of Fenris Sep 2013 #10
You seem to know a lot about the group doing this study. Where is your critique of it from? CTyankee Sep 2013 #13
Less knowledge about the group, more knowledge on study methods. Decoy of Fenris Sep 2013 #14
I don't know anything about this group but I'd have to see what the parameters were for this study. CTyankee Sep 2013 #15
I, for one, will look forward to reading your upcoming post. Starboard Tack Sep 2013 #16
If this post were in GD BainsBane Sep 2013 #11
+1 JustAnotherGen Sep 2013 #17
Kick for exposure, though it doesn't surprise me at all. Squinch Sep 2013 #2
Would you rather they be stabbed or bludgeoned? You should be happy for men with guns. Dark n Stormy Knight Sep 2013 #3
Guns all around, then! Deep13 Sep 2013 #4
It says too much about our society. nt Mnemosyne Sep 2013 #5
The message here is don't hang out with guys who think guns solve problems. Starboard Tack Sep 2013 #6
73% handguns, per the study. nt Robb Sep 2013 #9
Notice how many see Marisa Alexander's firing a warning shot as illegimate BainsBane Sep 2013 #18
Beacuse: billh58 Sep 2013 #8
this should surprise nobody mwrguy Sep 2013 #12
Are you a mind reader? DragonBorn Oct 2013 #19
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