Gun Control Reform Activism

MH1

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41. So I gather that you oppose the right to die?

Sat Mar 23, 2013, 03:06 PM

Mar 2013

I'm an advocate for gun control. The discussion here is about whether the means of ensuring right-to-die is a barrier for some people to accept gun control. I see Scuba's point in the o.p. I'm not sure how big a factor it is. Personally, I think "right to kill someone who f*cks with me" is a far bigger factor for most people. But that doesn't mean it isn't a worthy topic of discussion.

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The suicide component of the gun debate [View all] Scuba Mar 2013 OP

Guns aside for the moment... Riftaxe Mar 2013 #1

Guns aside ... Scuba Mar 2013 #2

lol see edit Riftaxe Mar 2013 #5

Suicide issue is a 100% distraction and the latest attempt by the NRA folks graham4anything Mar 2013 #3

Can you please cite a source for those statitistics? Thanks. Scuba Mar 2013 #4

take this to the following section graham4anything Mar 2013 #7

So your are alleging that suicide by gun is common or uncommon Riftaxe Mar 2013 #6

take it to the Mental Health information group thread located: graham4anything Mar 2013 #8

Can we get rid of cancer Riftaxe Mar 2013 #9

Take it to the general or health groups. There is no longer any reason to make nice to guns graham4anything Mar 2013 #10

A True Zealot Riftaxe Mar 2013 #12

Problem solved? No, getting rid of all the guns creates a problem for those of us ... Scuba Mar 2013 #13

Dr. Jack has a humane zero cost method that can be used. graham4anything Mar 2013 #16

Final exit also has the solution Riftaxe Mar 2013 #24

Talking about death on a forum that is PRO-life(aka NO guns/bullets) is not on the SOP graham4anything Mar 2013 #28

If only death were guns/bullets Riftaxe Mar 2013 #30

That is a discussion that I would have Riftaxe Mar 2013 #17

I too would welcome a discussion regarding suicidal rights, but that's not what I'm addressing here. Scuba Mar 2013 #22

'getting rid of all the guns creates a problem for those of us who rationally want to end our lives' freshwest Mar 2013 #45

No, my apparently poorly constructed OP was advocating for consideration of an idea ... Scuba Mar 2013 #47

Since we don't live in Logan's Run, I doubt suicide will ever be offered in a neutral format. freshwest Mar 2013 #60

"So this isn't really a practical use for gun ownership. " Scuba Mar 2013 #61

Again, there are many methods BainsBane Mar 2013 #62

I didn't say don't do it - you missed that part. There are other ways, I can post links. freshwest Mar 2013 #63

"Suicide will not be written into gun control as part of a legal exemption ..." Is that what ... Scuba Mar 2013 #65

there are lots of other methods BainsBane Mar 2013 #49

Incorrect. Nationally, 60% of gun deaths are suicide. Robb Mar 2013 #11

These numbers keep getting tossed out without sources. Can you please provide a citation? Scuba Mar 2013 #14

Citation is the #1 word used by pro-gun advocates. graham4anything Mar 2013 #15

Well now you have heard it sarisataka Mar 2013 #18

100% of all gun suicides can be avoided with the 100% eradication of bullets in the USA graham4anything Mar 2013 #20

So I gather that you oppose the right to die? MH1 Mar 2013 #41

In this context "citation" means a link to a credible source. I've used it in that manner ... Scuba Mar 2013 #19

... Robb Mar 2013 #21

Thank you. Perhaps this adds credence to my hypothesis that ... Scuba Mar 2013 #25

Suicide is a separate, related issue sarisataka Mar 2013 #23

I disagree. Making it harder to lay hands on a gun will stop spur-of-the-moment suicide attempts. Robb Mar 2013 #26

That is the real issue. Impulse suicide is facilitated by gunz. Warren Stupidity Mar 2013 #37

In theory it's unrelated, but in practice? MH1 Mar 2013 #42

+1 freshwest Mar 2013 #48

If other forms of suicide were available, would that ease of fears of some .... Scuba Mar 2013 #27

While your point is logical sarisataka Mar 2013 #29

I disagree only with your contention that ... Scuba Mar 2013 #32

Guns are clearly a top choice sarisataka Mar 2013 #34

I used to have a saying 'There's a reason I don't keep a gun in the house.' That was it. freshwest Mar 2013 #31

+1 Kurt Cobain is a perfect example. I pity his child and wife. vs. John Lennon. I pity the world. graham4anything Mar 2013 #43

I have no idea if this the beginning if Gungeon II, as some posters spend most of their time there. freshwest Mar 2013 #46

Please see my other posts in this thread #'s 13 and 47. Scuba Mar 2013 #50

Good questions raised by the OP nonoyes Mar 2013 #33

Thank you for this thoughtful reply. Scuba Mar 2013 #35

What does it take rrneck Mar 2013 #36

I have a theory, but, what do I know? nonoyes Mar 2013 #39

Any moral question rrneck Mar 2013 #64

Thanks for your view. nonoyes Mar 2013 #66

Nobody does anything for just one reason. rrneck Mar 2013 #68

Suicide is a reason FOR gun control BainsBane Mar 2013 #38

I value your insight on this topic, even if nonoyes Mar 2013 #40

No rate is fully successful BainsBane Mar 2013 #44

rates Progressive dog Mar 2013 #55

Now we defend guns because they get used for suicide? Progressive dog Mar 2013 #51

Tell me that you, like I, have not suspected that impulse was buried in this issue somewhere, all patrice Mar 2013 #53

I think facilitating suicide in a population that is significantly oppressed by economics is patrice Mar 2013 #52

Sorry, I'm just a farm boy. What are "broader cognitive resources" and how might they be degraded.. Scuba Mar 2013 #54

The definition of rational is not as absolute as we might pretend it is. There are always judgement patrice Mar 2013 #56

I'm trying to understand your post. Let's start with your very first statement ... Scuba Mar 2013 #58

Do you agree with my basic criteria: the best decisions are made by free individuals? patrice Mar 2013 #59

Farm boy? Think genetic management here, only make it intellectual potential and appropriate patrice Mar 2013 #57

Gun deaths shaped by race in America GoldenEagle16 Mar 2013 #67

This post is absurd and offensive. ellisonz Mar 2013 #69