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In reply to the discussion: Start calling out the term 'slut-shaming' [View all]freshwest
(53,661 posts)57. I agree it should never be used about women, along with the other slurs against them or minorities.
Because of the balance of power. No, you do not 'go there,' it's sick.
Now, my two cents on the word itself. I used to work construction. There was lot of foul language, but it was not gender or race related. It was just over generous use of the f-word, and the d-word actually to describe tools and stuff. They knew who held the power in society and didn't get upset at the d-word, and never used female slurs to describe things.
We had fights, but the law was against a a hostile workplace for women, gays or minorities. It was not a burden, as the Rush types of the world have said it is and too many have accepted. It was a union job, and we ensured against discrimination. But we talked freely.
The only example of the s-word discussed here was applied by men to a man. One who made a point of bragging about his weekend 'conquests' of women, although he was married. We felt bad for his wife, who he said was religious and didn't know.
He brought in pics on Monday, but not naked ones, which would have gotten him in trouble, and didn't give us any sexual details, just wanted to prove his 'manliness' in his own ignorant way.
Universal opinion, both male and female, was that he was a 'low-down dog.' I didn't have to say anything, the abuse all came from the men. They quite angrily called him a 's___' and told him to shut up after a few weeks of that.
Neither he, nor any misogynists, racists or homophobes were popular, period. They gave them a lot of grief.
These men voted for Carter. This was a crew who had, with their wives, decided to not have any more children. They didn't want to burden their wives with birth control any longer, all went together on the same day for vasectomies at the closest Planned Parenthood clinic.
They joked and said they'd be holding each other's hands to get over their fears of something going wrong with their huh, you know. They knew it wasn't likely, they weren't stupid. But they admitted the thought of a pair of scissors or other stuff 'down there' was intimidating. They all went and the surgery went well and they were back to work after the weekend.
This was prior to Reagan. There was no controversy or anti-abortion drama. It was when men and women seemed to care a lot more for each other's feelings and would back off if called out on saying something wrong and not sit back and plan their revenge like these MRAs do. They didn't regard women as enemies, just different and had to respect that. I miss that time.
Now tell me what you think of that use of the term. I felt fortunate to have been the one who educated these guys to be feminists. Yet they applied that word to a man.
I really feel sad we are having to start to educate again. And I feel bad for younger women growing up in this environment.
JMHO.
Now, my two cents on the word itself. I used to work construction. There was lot of foul language, but it was not gender or race related. It was just over generous use of the f-word, and the d-word actually to describe tools and stuff. They knew who held the power in society and didn't get upset at the d-word, and never used female slurs to describe things.
We had fights, but the law was against a a hostile workplace for women, gays or minorities. It was not a burden, as the Rush types of the world have said it is and too many have accepted. It was a union job, and we ensured against discrimination. But we talked freely.
The only example of the s-word discussed here was applied by men to a man. One who made a point of bragging about his weekend 'conquests' of women, although he was married. We felt bad for his wife, who he said was religious and didn't know.
He brought in pics on Monday, but not naked ones, which would have gotten him in trouble, and didn't give us any sexual details, just wanted to prove his 'manliness' in his own ignorant way.
Universal opinion, both male and female, was that he was a 'low-down dog.' I didn't have to say anything, the abuse all came from the men. They quite angrily called him a 's___' and told him to shut up after a few weeks of that.
Neither he, nor any misogynists, racists or homophobes were popular, period. They gave them a lot of grief.
These men voted for Carter. This was a crew who had, with their wives, decided to not have any more children. They didn't want to burden their wives with birth control any longer, all went together on the same day for vasectomies at the closest Planned Parenthood clinic.
They joked and said they'd be holding each other's hands to get over their fears of something going wrong with their huh, you know. They knew it wasn't likely, they weren't stupid. But they admitted the thought of a pair of scissors or other stuff 'down there' was intimidating. They all went and the surgery went well and they were back to work after the weekend.
This was prior to Reagan. There was no controversy or anti-abortion drama. It was when men and women seemed to care a lot more for each other's feelings and would back off if called out on saying something wrong and not sit back and plan their revenge like these MRAs do. They didn't regard women as enemies, just different and had to respect that. I miss that time.
Now tell me what you think of that use of the term. I felt fortunate to have been the one who educated these guys to be feminists. Yet they applied that word to a man.
I really feel sad we are having to start to educate again. And I feel bad for younger women growing up in this environment.
JMHO.
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language is so important. anyone raising kids know this. that is why we as parents always
seabeyond
Jul 2014
#64
Misogyny. Demonizing women by attacking their sexuality (calling them 'sluts' OR 'prudes')
redqueen
Jul 2014
#21
You also raised another issue here - this idea of 'slut-shaming' is often used to silence criticism
redqueen
Jul 2014
#22
i have used the term also, harshly to one particular man that was all over a thread
seabeyond
Jul 2014
#80
that is the point. we are not discussing the mans sexuality in these terms of prude nor slut.
seabeyond
Jul 2014
#68
Well then, clearly it isn't something you need to think about. Or comment on. As for the rest of
Squinch
Jul 2014
#39
So you are here to tell us that, when we say we don't want to be referred to as sluts, we are
Squinch
Jul 2014
#49
let me clearly state why it is not a little thing but the foundation of all of our misogyny.
seabeyond
Jul 2014
#63
I think you are right about the origin, but I also think Redqueen is right about the fact that it
Squinch
Jul 2014
#40
NO, really, it doesn't. It's a bad choice of words. It is meant to say that women
Squinch
Jul 2014
#50
The term appears to have been created by feminists to denounce the use of "slut" as a slur.
Maedhros
Jul 2014
#45
I agree it should never be used about women, along with the other slurs against them or minorities.
freshwest
Jul 2014
#57