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BainsBane

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109. How odd we had people championing salty language when used to insult women

Fri Jul 4, 2014, 09:37 PM

Jul 2014

which is apparently its true purpose, but when it's used to confront misogyny, then it's OTT. We were told we were RWers for objecting to the use of the word c.,,,t, but Sea's use of salty language is hidden. The hypocrisy is obvious. No one believes it is anything but political; it's about keeping DU as a space for white male privilege where feminists and people of color are kept in their place. It's the same reason a number of members of the African American group are alert stalked. You may be comfortable with a community where white males wield all the power, but don't for a second pretend it is liberal or progressive, because it isn't.

When juries vote to allow vulgar insults to women but hide responses to them, it shows precisely what the standards of this community are. The incredible double standard enforces a climate where women and people of color need to keep their mouths shut in the face of their white male superiors.

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Not for Nothing ... but, Am I the Only One to think that it is a travesty that of ALL the times [View all] Tuesday Afternoon Jul 2014 OP

No you are not! JustAnotherGen Jul 2014 #1

Happy Fourth, JAG Tuesday Afternoon Jul 2014 #3

Excellent point! JustAnotherGen Jul 2014 #18

woman. you just sent cold chills all over my body. I am not kidding. Tuesday Afternoon Jul 2014 #21

It's starting to feel that way JustAnotherGen Jul 2014 #26

JAG ... Tuesday Afternoon Jul 2014 #27

Nothing but hugs JustAnotherGen Jul 2014 #72

seabeyond sent me a lovely note shortly ago when I was down. these are awful times. roguevalley Jul 2014 #71

Me too! JustAnotherGen Jul 2014 #74

bwahahaha. I think the world would be a better place if in disagreement we argreed to be agreeable. roguevalley Jul 2014 #77

Yeah JustAnotherGen Jul 2014 #79

Nope. You're not the only one. n/t TDale313 Jul 2014 #2

thanks, TDale313 = Tuesday Afternoon Jul 2014 #5

Five Roman Catholic Men. Doing the Vaticans work. homegirl Jul 2014 #35

Thank you for re-posting that, homegirl. Tuesday Afternoon Jul 2014 #63

"Simple, old-fashioned woman hating from top to bottom." So concisely and eloquently stated. nomorenomore08 Jul 2014 #106

How many times is this now? libodem Jul 2014 #4

you come in HoF with this crap? you call it a fucking belief? Tuesday Afternoon Jul 2014 #6

This message was self-deleted by its author Tuesday Afternoon Jul 2014 #7

Fuck that noise. JTFrog Jul 2014 #8

shall we put it to a move? I move that libodem be banned from HoF. Can I get a second? Tuesday Afternoon Jul 2014 #9

Hell yes. JTFrog Jul 2014 #11

we have a second. shall we put the motion to a vote? all in favor say Aye. AYE. Tuesday Afternoon Jul 2014 #12

Aye. Small Accumulates Jul 2014 #56

welcome to DU3 and to HoF, Small Accumulates Tuesday Afternoon Jul 2014 #60

Thank you!! Small Accumulates Jul 2014 #78

important? in the scheme of things you think THAT is what is IMPORTANT ???? Tuesday Afternoon Jul 2014 #10

so what mercuryblues Jul 2014 #13

He's not talking about the court ruling. BainsBane Jul 2014 #100

so then, you really think ALL of sea's hides were justified? really? you really think that? Tuesday Afternoon Jul 2014 #15

Another vote in favor of Tuesday's idea JustAnotherGen Jul 2014 #20

This message was self-deleted by its author redqueen Jul 2014 #22

I did what I could to help you 'out'. Mc Mike Jul 2014 #40

welcome to DU3 and to HoF Tuesday Afternoon Jul 2014 #52

Thanks, Tues. nt. Mc Mike Jul 2014 #133

well behaved women rarely make history mopinko Jul 2014 #42

True. Louisiana1976 Jul 2014 #84

Oh, buzz the fuck off. Don't you have anything better to do with your time? Squinch Jul 2014 #43

I APPROVE OF THIS MESSAGE Skittles Jul 2014 #102

I am glad, Skittles! Squinch Jul 2014 #104

Co-approve. MadrasT Jul 2014 #105

. Squinch Jul 2014 #126

How about the "personal responsibility" of progressives to support, and not belitte, issues of nomorenomore08 Jul 2014 #107

What gets me are all the in-your-face misogynists who run rampant... theHandpuppet Jul 2014 #14

thank you. Tuesday Afternoon Jul 2014 #16

I would swear I think she's being stalked theHandpuppet Jul 2014 #24

ditto noiretextatique Jul 2014 #33

She's not the only one either. BainsBane Jul 2014 #108

That wouldn't surprise me theHandpuppet Jul 2014 #116

ATA is the place to raise it BainsBane Jul 2014 #122

I guess I shouldn't say this... theHandpuppet Jul 2014 #152

I agree. BainsBane Jul 2014 #156

-I- would not bring it up in Hosts. They have trouble doing their job as it is much less Tuesday Afternoon Jul 2014 #137

Okay, thanks for the advice. theHandpuppet Jul 2014 #154

There's only one practical suggestion I can think of... Violet_Crumble Jul 2014 #170

Incredibly accurate. Agschmid Jul 2014 #172

No doubt etherealtruth Jul 2014 #23

+1 million Louisiana1976 Jul 2014 #85

Because the one who doesn't accept the status quo is the "troublemaker." nomorenomore08 Jul 2014 #111

Yep, and it plays out here ... over and over etherealtruth Jul 2014 #129

a Men DonCoquixote Jul 2014 #28

+1000000 noiretextatique Jul 2014 #37

Exactly. I'm on Discussionist, and you're right about bullies who try to dominate Louisiana1976 Jul 2014 #86

Well said. Squinch Jul 2014 #91

quite true. I tried, but then abandoned, Discussionist. I don't have time for it or the patience... CTyankee Jul 2014 #95

damn right noiretextatique Jul 2014 #29

SERIOUSLY!!! BlancheSplanchnik Jul 2014 #54

No, you're not..Happy Fourth, Seabee. n/t whathehell Jul 2014 #17

yes ... see below ... and thanks Tuesday Afternoon Jul 2014 #49

The women that support these men or the women that sit all ladylike and well mannered and well Tuesday Afternoon Jul 2014 #19

Yes. They need to lead, follow, or get out of the way. Louisiana1976 Jul 2014 #88

How is it a travesty? Orrex Jul 2014 #25

This message was self-deleted by its author JTFrog Jul 2014 #30

This message was self-deleted by its author Tuesday Afternoon Jul 2014 #32

Sorry, JTFrog. Had to rethink that one. Thanks for understanding. Tuesday Afternoon Jul 2014 #34

No worries. JTFrog Jul 2014 #36

That doesn't exactly answer the question. Orrex Jul 2014 #39

because time and time again DonCoquixote Jul 2014 #46

I would be interested to read that bragging. Orrex Jul 2014 #51

hey ladies DonCoquixote Jul 2014 #55

Thanks---I look forward to it. Orrex Jul 2014 #57

nope DonCoquixote Jul 2014 #61

Well, ok. Orrex Jul 2014 #67

seriously, what violated the Tos? DonCoquixote Jul 2014 #83

A TOS violation is not required. Orrex Jul 2014 #87

so then DonCoquixote Jul 2014 #96

If the hosts ask me to exit the group I will of course do so Orrex Jul 2014 #99

How odd we had people championing salty language when used to insult women BainsBane Jul 2014 #109

Boom. There it is. Tuesday Afternoon Jul 2014 #110

Nailed it! sheshe2 Jul 2014 #148

Yes. redqueen Jul 2014 #149

+1 nt laundry_queen Jul 2014 #206

This message was self-deleted by its author JTFrog Jul 2014 #47

Shall we discuss them one by one, Orrex? I think that is reasonable. Shall you go first? Please do. Tuesday Afternoon Jul 2014 #31

Perhaps you could indicate specifically why you think the hides are unwarranted. Orrex Jul 2014 #81

well later in the thread DonCoquixote Jul 2014 #114

True, but Violet Crumble has handily addressed that concern Orrex Jul 2014 #131

True, but I adressed that concern DonCoquixote Jul 2014 #147

Your discussion of pancakes offends me Orrex Jul 2014 #150

noted, however DonCoquixote Jul 2014 #167

At the risk of sounding like I'm passing judgment... Orrex Jul 2014 #168

I love it when my questions are answered with questions. Tuesday Afternoon Jul 2014 #120

You place me in a diificult position Orrex Jul 2014 #128

since I asked for it why would I then turn around and accuse you of stalking and being Tuesday Afternoon Jul 2014 #135

In point of fact, I do not hold a grudge against her or anyone Orrex Jul 2014 #143

in a hurry, orrex = multitasking today but please Tuesday Afternoon Jul 2014 #144

Well, here goes. By request: Orrex Jul 2014 #178

A fair and honest asessement ... Tuesday Afternoon Jul 2014 #179

For the record... Orrex Jul 2014 #203

ah yes ... the already Infamous ... Tuesday Afternoon Jul 2014 #204

Most of them would never have been hidden if another person wrote them. Squinch Jul 2014 #62

That's an interesting claim. How might we verify this? Orrex Jul 2014 #66

I, for one, would like to see ALL of seabeyond's hidden posts since the inception of DU3 Tuesday Afternoon Jul 2014 #68

Yes. THAT is what I'd surely like to see. theHandpuppet Jul 2014 #69

The hidden messages are easy enough to find Orrex Jul 2014 #73

OK, I am just going to say it out loud. I am NOT willing to take Skinner's word on this. I want to Tuesday Afternoon Jul 2014 #76

It's fair to question it, sure. Orrex Jul 2014 #80

I would agree that anonymity should not be breached lightly theHandpuppet Jul 2014 #82

I agree. And this should be true on Discussionist as well. Louisiana1976 Jul 2014 #89

Personally, I think the post only should be judged. Tuesday Afternoon Jul 2014 #119

I agree with a portion of your suggestion theHandpuppet Jul 2014 #127

Maybe, if admin allowed the rest of us to :read only: the host group I could agree otherwise Tuesday Afternoon Jul 2014 #134

I'm pretty new to hosting and newer still to any kind of adminstrative duties theHandpuppet Jul 2014 #153

It was me, and I don't lie. RiffRandell Jul 2014 #195

Yet you brought it up BainsBane Jul 2014 #196

smh, Baines. just smh. I understand she has been flagged for review. Tuesday Afternoon Jul 2014 #198

Never fear BainsBane Jul 2014 #200

Going to look now. This must be why she is Tuesday Afternoon Jul 2014 #202

We might look at all the astonishingly crappy posts that other people post that are not hidden by Squinch Jul 2014 #90

A good start, I agree Orrex Jul 2014 #92

Is there a reason you are feeling the need to give your seal of approval as to whether you think Squinch Jul 2014 #93

What manner of response would you have preferred? Orrex Jul 2014 #94

It's just that you appear to need to tell us if you think we pass some muster of which Squinch Jul 2014 #97

I'm the arbiter of my own opinion Orrex Jul 2014 #98

So I tested this theory... and in fact you are correct. Agschmid Jul 2014 #173

This is pretty ingenous of you, and I have to say that I am not surprised about the outcome. Squinch Jul 2014 #174

This message was self-deleted by its author Orrex Jul 2014 #177

Color me so very unsurprised. redqueen Jul 2014 #180

Oh wow! JustAnotherGen Jul 2014 #181

How about testing some of my hides? BainsBane Jul 2014 #182

don't you have a hide for this = Tuesday Afternoon Jul 2014 #183

And my most recent one from last night BainsBane Jul 2014 #185

PM me, please Baines Tuesday Afternoon Jul 2014 #186

is that also the exact wording of the alert message on sea's post? Tuesday Afternoon Jul 2014 #184

Not sure, I made sure my alerter did not hold back. Agschmid Jul 2014 #187

I think the point has more to do with the stuff that *doesn't* get hidden. nomorenomore08 Jul 2014 #112

and again = Boom. There it is. Tuesday Afternoon Jul 2014 #140

I miss her wisdom on the issue (and owe her a reply via e-mail). Half-Century Man Jul 2014 #38

dare I say = AMEN ? LOL ... we need a word for that closure, for that finality. Tuesday Afternoon Jul 2014 #41

Seabeyond just sent me a PM ... posting it with her permission ... Her thoughts about today = Tuesday Afternoon Jul 2014 #44

a revealing vote DonCoquixote Jul 2014 #45

thanks for posting the results, DonCoquixote Tuesday Afternoon Jul 2014 #48

Libodem DonCoquixote Jul 2014 #50

thank you. and I have been informed that he is a she, although it matters not and, I always thought Tuesday Afternoon Jul 2014 #58

Just Went Through The Hides, Ma'am The Magistrate Jul 2014 #53

Thank you, The Magistrate, And a Happy Fourth to you, sir. Tuesday Afternoon Jul 2014 #59

Just what I suspected. theHandpuppet Jul 2014 #70

Thank you The Magistrate JustAnotherGen Jul 2014 #75

I don't often disagree with you, Sir, but I do in this case. This isn't DU2.. Violet_Crumble Jul 2014 #101

I Am Aware, Ma'am, The Rules I Was Used To Apply No Longer Are In Force The Magistrate Jul 2014 #117

Yeah, I'm in agreement with most of what you said there... Violet_Crumble Jul 2014 #124

you were assuming votes based BainsBane Jul 2014 #151

To remain active one has to skillfully navigate that double standard. Tuesday Afternoon Jul 2014 #165

actually you make a habit of BainsBane Jul 2014 #123

That post was totally uncalled for... Violet_Crumble Jul 2014 #125

This message was self-deleted by its author JTFrog Jul 2014 #130

This message was self-deleted by its author Tuesday Afternoon Jul 2014 #136

This message was self-deleted by its author BainsBane Jul 2014 #142

Hey folks. I truly understand the feelings expressed.... hlthe2b Jul 2014 #139

This message was self-deleted by its author BainsBane Jul 2014 #141

"One can only conclude a fair portion... were moved by some animus..." nomorenomore08 Jul 2014 #113

Can you link to what happened? I've been really busy and missed this latest attack on seabeyond. greatlaurel Jul 2014 #64

Because seabeyond has Five hides within a 90 day period she is not allowed to post until the Tuesday Afternoon Jul 2014 #65

It is a shame. MadrasT Jul 2014 #103

But don't miss Agschmidt's experiment. Others can post exactly what she does and not be hidden: Squinch Jul 2014 #176

Hell no ismnotwasm Jul 2014 #115

The sexual revolution was brought about because of BC. Tuesday Afternoon Jul 2014 #118

People like to goad seabeyond Cali_Democrat Jul 2014 #121

this is as true an assessment of the situation as anything else I have read. Tuesday Afternoon Jul 2014 #138

This message was self-deleted by its author JTFrog Jul 2014 #132

That's a pity - i don't know why she gets such crap el_bryanto Jul 2014 #145

LOL!!!! ismnotwasm Jul 2014 #146

Ha-ha!! That is pretty funny, isn't it? theHandpuppet Jul 2014 #155

Whisp and Scootaloo are out too BainsBane Jul 2014 #157

Thanks for telling me. I did not know that. So mcuh goes on around here Tuesday Afternoon Jul 2014 #158

There are a boatload of people gone BainsBane Jul 2014 #159

more HoFers than GC&RKBAers ... ? what does that tell us ... ? Tuesday Afternoon Jul 2014 #160

I think the latter have set up shop at Discussionist BainsBane Jul 2014 #161

I quit GC&RKBA and haven't looked back. Something needs to be done and Tuesday Afternoon Jul 2014 #169

Is there a place where we can see who is off in detention? Squinch Jul 2014 #175

a roster of timed out DUers with the date of re-entry? - Tuesday Afternoon Jul 2014 #188

You are probably right. Squinch Jul 2014 #197

Damn, that must've been recent. redqueen Jul 2014 #162

Scootaloo was a while ago BainsBane Jul 2014 #163

Well Scoot must have just recently got back cause he was the only person redqueen Jul 2014 #164

Oh, awesome! Glad to hear he's back. BainsBane Jul 2014 #166

Whoo hoo! Scoot's back? The I/P group's worth hanging out in again! Violet_Crumble Jul 2014 #171

After seeing the shit that went down in the host forum, JTFrog Jul 2014 #189

I didn't do it to "keep the peace" BainsBane Jul 2014 #190

I pretty sure the hosts asked us for the purpose of "keeping the peace". JTFrog Jul 2014 #191

Oh believe me BainsBane Jul 2014 #192

The Host's Group ... ? What happened ... ? Was this thread involved in a Tuesday Afternoon Jul 2014 #193

No shit. The "hosting" model is clearly broken. MadrasT Jul 2014 #194

I agree with this assessment and I approve this message. Tuesday Afternoon Jul 2014 #199

I will raise you one DonCoquixote Jul 2014 #201

They do kick them off, but I think we all have to remember the importance of the alert. Agschmid Jul 2014 #205

Okay, I'm stumped. Why was this one hidden? Orrex Aug 2014 #207

Here you go - Tuesday Afternoon Aug 2014 #208

Oh FFS Orrex Aug 2014 #209

yw and I agree. Tuesday Afternoon Aug 2014 #210