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DonCoquixote

(13,745 posts)
31. playing with time and human life
Wed Mar 13, 2013, 08:03 PM
Mar 2013

allow me to analye this:

You said:
"and, therefore, the New Deal had not happened? And that you would be living right now in the same kind of country that existed before the New Deal? "

First, are you so sure the New deal would not have happened?, do not forget the socialists were not exactly shrinking away. Especialy with Europe ready to boil over into something (maybe not exactly the WW II we know, but the chances that some war between England, Germany and Russia would not happen was not likely, and our chance of not being involved were also unlikely.) However, the point is, you cannot say that if there was no great depression, there would have been a new deal, unless you have some hotline to the fates.

You said:
People will die. This is not preventable. Perhaps it's merciful that they die more quickly, rather than a slow, lingering, painful death. Regardless, people are going to die - and I may be one of them.

And who are YOU to judge that a lot of people dying is a good thing? Death is not preventable, but massive deaths, and please, let us not deny that depressions cause anythign BUT massive deaths, are at the very least, able to be lessened. Every person that died in the Great depression is someone whose life had value.

You said:
60 million people died in WWII. Should we have just let the Nazis take over, kill the Jews and spread throughout Europe? I'm sure if the world had simply let them take over, the number of deaths would have been fewer... in the short term.

Actually, a Great Depression prolonged WWII, as we were not in a psotion to stop Hitler without a lot of rehab. And let us not forget that the reason an Austrian washed up art student was able to win a lot of hearts is because Germany was starving. You cannot say that the great depression did not cause WWII, and every bit of carnage, from nanking to Auschwitz.

And also, let's not forget that as much harm as Stalin did, he could have always done worse. As much of a socialiost as I am, the depressing fact is that from Geroge bernard Shaw, to Woody Guthrie, many socialists really misjudged just how insane Stalin was. Do we want to see what he could have done with a years more time?

The point is not to play the parlor game of what if, the point is to show that playing games with people's lives is deadly..a man named Eric Hoffer said it best:

"those who are willing to sacrifice a generation to realize an ideal are the enemies of mankind."

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I posted last night that we'll have to be content with social progress Warpy Mar 2013 #1
Sadly, I think you are right. Cleita Mar 2013 #2
not sad kardonb Mar 2013 #30
>you people< ?? Who the fuck are you? n/t jtuck004 Mar 2013 #32
I trhnk the derivatives collapse the first time around truedelphi Mar 2013 #4
I hear your frustration, Flying Squirrel Skittles Mar 2013 #3
I invite you to check out the Stock Market Watch and Weekend Economists threads Demeter Mar 2013 #5
A person with Nothing formercia Mar 2013 #6
A point well-known to Macchiavelli Jackpine Radical Mar 2013 #22
Like a rolling stone. WheelWalker Mar 2013 #26
I honestly wish Obama had let the country slip into another Great Depression DonCoquixote Mar 2013 #7
Would you rather the Great Depression had not happened Flying Squirrel Mar 2013 #10
playing with time and human life DonCoquixote Mar 2013 #31
I think the idea is... sangsaran Mar 2013 #13
In the OP's defense, bvar22 Mar 2013 #15
It's a sad time for most who have nothing else... we see the truth fascisthunter Mar 2013 #8
"I honestly wish Obama had let the country slip into another Great Depression" NYC Liberal Mar 2013 #9
See post 10. Why don't you hide my OP? Flying Squirrel Mar 2013 #12
Who said I wanted to hide your OP? NYC Liberal Mar 2013 #17
I understand your frustration. I have gone to that place myself on more than one occasion. rhett o rick Mar 2013 #11
I agree that we should keep fighting Flying Squirrel Mar 2013 #14
I'm not sure any amount of suffering will improve our chances in the long term. sangsaran Mar 2013 #21
Sorry I dont understand. Elites rule. They always have and they always will. We just have to find rhett o rick Mar 2013 #23
+1 n/t Laelth Mar 2013 #27
Now I've seen everything Politicub Mar 2013 #16
Actually, you should be lamenting that "Job #1" has been to restore Wall Street... Spitfire of ATJ Mar 2013 #18
already left once... dtom67 Mar 2013 #19
Who led Occupy? Jackpine Radical Mar 2013 #24
Occupy has promise, but.. dtom67 Mar 2013 #29
I have seen to spontaneous miracles of unity in my time kickysnana Mar 2013 #35
You're right but the people will never rise up they're too tired from work. craigmatic Mar 2013 #20
The time will come when they have no work. Jackpine Radical Mar 2013 #25
Or food. Enter peak oil and climate change into the equation ... Auggie Mar 2013 #28
unfortunately this is not a light switch situation tiredtoo Mar 2013 #33
Read Howard Zinn's caseymoz Mar 2013 #34
Kevin Phillips Wealth and Democracy builds a similar argument. motocicleta2 Mar 2013 #36
I would like to believe that, but . . . caseymoz Mar 2013 #38
I missed DU. motocicleta2 Mar 2013 #37
I could not agree more, with you and with the OP. This forum is one of the main sabrina 1 Mar 2013 #39
Hello ~ motocicleta2. Nice to see you back again at DU. In_The_Wind Mar 2013 #41
Thanks! motocicleta2 Mar 2013 #42
Indeed! In_The_Wind Mar 2013 #43
Look at Greece and the neo-NAZI "golden dawn" party, and until recently Fire Walk With Me Mar 2013 #40
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I'm not an economist, I'm not anything approaching an expert. I'm simply attempting to synthesize Fire Walk With Me Mar 2013 #45
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