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Joe Shlabotnik

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29. This sounds reasonable. I'd like to add a few quick points.

Thu Feb 23, 2012, 02:10 PM

Feb 2012

Personally, I haven't yet formed any concrete conclusions with regard to the the SOP, Description, procedures etc that Leopolds Ghost posted yesterday but I do have a few observations and thoughts to offer.

I don't take any offense from the drafting of these articles being done over at DU2. I spent 2+ hours over there last night reading the evolution of the DU3 group proposal and I applaud the amount of initiative, thoughtfulness and effort that went into it. Their work has saved us a lot of sausage making, and their end result looks 'pretty' good IMO.

Also, I'd really like to see as many DU2er's come over as possible. We are ALL DUers. Many of the DU2 holdouts concerns are not only valid, but also held by some at DU3. So with their active input here, we can at least create the Occupy group as a mid ground between the framework and climate that we must work within, and the framework and climate that we'd like to see.

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Opening up Discussion on Hosting Guidelines [View all] ellisonz Feb 2012 OP

Group membership is a vexing issue, given current software limitations. Old and In the Way Feb 2012 #1

I think allowing any du member to vote is fine. Warren Stupidity Feb 2012 #2

Really, I see no other practical alternative. Old and In the Way Feb 2012 #6

Under the current draft of the principles that was approved on Occupy du2, the lead host has no more Leopolds Ghost Feb 2012 #12

See the feminist group. Warren Stupidity Feb 2012 #14

Yeah, it's a problem with the way the system is geared to hosting as private groups Leopolds Ghost Feb 2012 #16

+1 n/t Chan790 Feb 2012 #25

Simple majority vote is not required for Occupy GAs to function well. So I don't think it's an issue Leopolds Ghost Feb 2012 #11

I hope it is kept simple JNelson6563 Feb 2012 #3

My answers to ellisonz 5Q? Chan790 Feb 2012 #4

It is possible to use polls for consensus. The principles as currently written call for consensus Leopolds Ghost Feb 2012 #8

I really tend to agree with point 1. Old and In the Way Feb 2012 #9

I think the thought is to set the bar fairly high. ellisonz Feb 2012 #21

I wonder if the MIRT team couldn't be tasked with alerts that include an SoP violation? Old and In the Way Feb 2012 #28

I thought we're trying to have a non-heirarchical structure, not rely on MIRT. jmho n/t Leopolds Ghost Feb 2012 #35

Regarding DU2 -- all the work that went into creating this forum came from DU2rs -- if you think Leopolds Ghost Feb 2012 #10

No, I think those decisions needed to be made here along with there. Chan790 Feb 2012 #19

To be fair, no decisions beyond the SOP have been made at all... ellisonz Feb 2012 #20

I'll be drafting a counter-proposal then. Chan790 Feb 2012 #26

There is no great rush. ellisonz Feb 2012 #27

The main host does not select co-hosts under the current draft, the group does Leopolds Ghost Feb 2012 #38

It was pointed out in the H&M thread many times where the work was being done. Occupy uses consensus Leopolds Ghost Feb 2012 #34

How are they being marginalized if they ohheckyeah Feb 2012 #30

Do you feel they should, or should not? Leopolds Ghost Feb 2012 #37

Truthfully - ohheckyeah Feb 2012 #45

But we haven't agreed on anything yet... Leopolds Ghost Feb 2012 #49

Why can't the DU2 work be presented here and accepted or not by us all? Why would anyone want to Vincardog Feb 2012 #33

I am concerned because I have done work for a liberal nonprofit where Leopolds Ghost Feb 2012 #36

Ellisonz, can you facilitate the thread I opened up here thats a mirror of the du2 thread? Leopolds Ghost Feb 2012 #5

My thoughts on Ellison's questions -- Leopolds Ghost Feb 2012 #7

With all due respect, you sound like a teacher UnrepentantLiberal Feb 2012 #13

Not at all. It's simply that we posted numerous links back to the threads on the group formation Leopolds Ghost Feb 2012 #15

Well, pardon me for not reading the terms of service UnrepentantLiberal Feb 2012 #17

I wish you'd stay active in this conversation. Chan790 Feb 2012 #22

Alright, I'll keep an eye on it. UnrepentantLiberal Feb 2012 #23

The du2 draft guidelines thought to mention about activist credentials Leopolds Ghost Feb 2012 #39

No, we just told stories and ate cheese sandwhiches. UnrepentantLiberal Feb 2012 #41

What happened in LA? I didn't hear about this -- sounds awful. Leopolds Ghost Feb 2012 #42

Protesters sitting on buses for hours with handcuffs UnrepentantLiberal Feb 2012 #43

Why don't you grab the one or two mods who are running around on DU2 still snooper2 Feb 2012 #18

I like this idea. UnrepentantLiberal Feb 2012 #24

This sounds reasonable. I'd like to add a few quick points. Joe Shlabotnik Feb 2012 #29

Twinkles Leopolds Ghost Feb 2012 #40

So, is this group already ohheckyeah Feb 2012 #31

The idea is to try and be... ellisonz Feb 2012 #32

my two coppers quinnox Feb 2012 #44

Right now I've basically seeing four proposals... ellisonz Feb 2012 #46

I favour options 1 or 2 at this point. Joe Shlabotnik Feb 2012 #47

Thank you for your two-cents. n/t ellisonz Feb 2012 #48

What if hosts enforced SoP by Leopolds Ghost Feb 2012 #50

that solution has merit. Joe Shlabotnik Feb 2012 #51

I think just as a simple matter of communication... ellisonz Feb 2012 #52

I'd like to see some more ideas and opinions from other members Joe Shlabotnik Feb 2012 #53

No doubt. ellisonz Feb 2012 #54

Anyone else have any thoughts? ellisonz Feb 2012 #55

I've been meaning to review the latest draft Leopolds Ghost Feb 2012 #56

No worries. ellisonz Feb 2012 #57