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Gothmog

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30. Sanders had no chance after Super Tuesday but stayed in
Tue Jan 3, 2017, 01:51 PM
Jan 2017

We knew as of Super Tuesday that Jewish, African American and Latino voters were rejecting Sanders. Hillary Clinton had a pledged delegate lead after Super Tuesday that showed that Sanders had no chance of being the nominee. Hillary Clinton ended up with more than four times the lead in pledged delegates over Sanders compared to the lead in pledged delegates that President Obama had over Hillary Clinton 2008. We knew from the exit polls after Super Tuesday that Sanders was not viable with key segments of the Democratic base.

Sanders actions speak for themselves. Sanders ran a campaign not to be the nominee but to get media covarege and he succeeded. Sanders used his media coverage to become by far the most frequent guest on the Sunday morning show circuit http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow/watch/sanders-top-list-for-most-appearances-on-2016-sunday-shows-846175811977 Sanders ran for media coverage and got it. To get such coverage, Sanders attacked the Democratic party and helped trump get elected

As for oppo research, there was ton of material to be used against Sanders including his rape essay, the fact that he was unemployed for long period of time and taught a course where he had praised Castro and other communist leaders Trump had an oppo book on Sanders that was two feet thick. No one in the real world thought that sanders had a chance of being the nominee and so Sanders was not vetted. This lack of vetting would have killed Sanders in the general election https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/democrats-would-be-insane-to-nominate-bernie-sanders/2016/01/26/0590e624-c472-11e5-a4aa-f25866ba0dc6_story.html?hpid=hp_opinions-for-wide-side_opinion-card-a%3Ahomepage%2Fstory

Sanders and his supporters boast of polls showing him, on average, matching up slightly better against Trump than Clinton does. But those matchups are misleading: Opponents have been attacking and defining Clinton for a quarter- century, but nobody has really gone to work yet on demonizing Sanders.

Watching Sanders at Monday night’s Democratic presidential forum in Des Moines, I imagined how Trump — or another Republican nominee — would disembowel the relatively unknown Vermonter.


The first questioner from the audience asked Sanders to explain why he embraces the “socialist” label and requested that Sanders define it “so that it doesn’t concern the rest of us citizens.”

Sanders, explaining that much of what he proposes is happening in Scandinavia and Germany (a concept that itself alarms Americans who don’t want to be like socialized Europe), answered vaguely: “Creating a government that works for all of us, not just a handful of people on the top — that’s my definition of democratic socialism.”

But that’s not how Republicans will define socialism — and they’ll have the dictionary on their side. They’ll portray Sanders as one who wants the government to own and control major industries and the means of production and distribution of goods. They’ll say he wants to take away private property. That wouldn’t be fair, but it would be easy. Socialists don’t win national elections in the United States .

Sanders on Monday night also admitted he would seek massive tax increases — “one of the biggest tax hikes in history,” as moderator Chris Cuomo put it — to expand Medicare to all. Sanders, this time making a comparison with Britain and France, allowed that “hypothetically, you’re going to pay $5,000 more in taxes,” and declared, “W e will raise taxes, yes we will.” He said this would be offset by lower health-insurance premiums and protested that “it’s demagogic to say, oh, you’re paying more in taxes.

Well, yes — and Trump is a demagogue.

Sanders also made clear he would be happy to identify Democrats as the party of big government and of wealth redistribution. When Cuomo said Sanders seemed to be saying he would grow government “bigger than ever,” Sanders didn’t quarrel, saying, “P eople want to criticize me, okay,” and “F ine, if that’s the criticism, I accept it.”

Sanders accepts it, but are Democrats ready to accept ownership of socialism, massive tax increases and a dramatic expansion of government? If so, they will lose.

Sanders would have been destroyed in the general election in the real world

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Please tell me more Botany Jan 2017 #1
WTF is THAT sposed to mean!! InAbLuEsTaTe Jan 2017 #4
I was wondering that myself n/t. ogradda Jan 2017 #25
I think I love you. cyclonefence Jan 2017 #26
On this morning's breakfast menu we are featuring TheCowsCameHome Jan 2017 #2
The McDonald Big Breakfast! shraby Jan 2017 #3
That was my first thought.. Cha Jan 2017 #5
Wow, mention the name Bernie Sanders and the snark really comes out. Sad. monmouth4 Jan 2017 #6
So.... Laurian Jan 2017 #7
I wasn't stating a solution to the sexism problem - just an observation. Joe941 Jan 2017 #9
And it's way past time to confront it. Laurian Jan 2017 #10
Your analysis ignores valid reasons why voters rejected Sanders in the primary Gothmog Jan 2017 #8
I doubt sexism is a problem for the democratic primary voters... Joe941 Jan 2017 #11
Sanders was on the ballot in 2016 and under performed Clinton Gothmog Jan 2017 #14
Thank you, Goth, "Bernie Sanders Was On The 2016 Ballot  And He Underperformed Hillary Clinton" Cha Jan 2017 #16
Sanders would have been destroyed by trump in the general election Gothmog Jan 2017 #17
He may have lost to Trump but I doubt he would have been destroyed. kickitup Jan 2017 #27
Thanks for your posts, Gothmog! BlueMTexpat Jan 2017 #46
Thank you for your post Gothmog Jan 2017 #47
Good, factual post. And it might help if Sanders worked on his revolution now instead of . . . brush Jan 2017 #32
Sanders was rejected by Jewish, African American and Latino voters Gothmog Jan 2017 #36
What's up with that? Those voters are a big part of the base. His obsession with WWC cost him ... brush Jan 2017 #37
Sanders' whole campaign was based on a so-called revolution that never materialized Gothmog Jan 2017 #48
I don't know what you hoped accomplished by creating this thread... SharonClark Jan 2017 #12
So Hillary shouldn't have run because she is a woman mcar Jan 2017 #13
I didn't say that. I'm merely saying it was Joe941 Jan 2017 #18
Keep digging mcar Jan 2017 #20
Can you believe this shit?... SidDithers Jan 2017 #19
Sometimes there are not enough walls, Sid mcar Jan 2017 #21
No Cha Jan 2017 #23
Sanders had no chance of being nominee and ran for media coverage Gothmog Jan 2017 #15
He had a chance. It was a small chance given the party commitment to HRC. aikoaiko Jan 2017 #24
Sanders had no chance after Super Tuesday but stayed in Gothmog Jan 2017 #30
You keep repeating these opinion pieces on how Bernie couldn't win as if they are gospel. aikoaiko Jan 2017 #39
I believe in Math and the math was clear after Super Tueday Gothmog Jan 2017 #40
It would have been a very different primary, but we can't conclude that he would have won. Orsino Jan 2017 #22
Sanders never did release his tax returns Gothmog Jan 2017 #31
Here is why he wouldn't: the Russian oligarchs would have opposed him just as pnwmom Jan 2017 #28
Yep. It was rigged for Trump from the beginning, I think. Fast Walker 52 Jan 2017 #34
There's a place to hang one's hat. nt. NCTraveler Jan 2017 #29
And here's why he may well have lost badly Fast Walker 52 Jan 2017 #33
+1. n/t pnwmom Jan 2017 #35
Still unconvincing. (nt) Paladin Jan 2017 #38
Consider all the harshly critical attacks on Bernie from Republicans during the primaries DFW Jan 2017 #41
+1. n/t pnwmom Jan 2017 #43
Welll he'd have to start by winning the primary La Lioness Priyanka Jan 2017 #42
Well there is that minor issue. LOL. nt fleabiscuit Jan 2017 #44
Woulda Shoulda Coulda.. only BS lost the primary by 4 Millions Cha Jan 2017 #45
Didn't work that way in the Primary. Lil Missy Jan 2017 #49
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