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2016 Postmortem

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pnwmom

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Tue Dec 20, 2016, 12:46 PM Dec 2016

538: Voters really did switch to Trump at the last minute [View all]

http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/voters-really-did-switch-to-trump-at-the-last-minute/?ex_cid=story-facebook

Donald Trump’s somewhat surprising win has forced many political analysts to wonder: Were we wrong all along in thinking Hillary Clinton had the upper hand, or was late-breaking movement to Trump part of the reason why polling averages missed his upset Electoral College victory? There’s certainly evidence that the polls underestimated Trump’s support in crucial Midwest states. But the latest wave of the Institute for the Study of Citizens and Politics panel survey that my University of Pennsylvania colleague Diana Mutz and I have been overseeing is now complete, and it provides new evidence that voters did shift to Trump in the final weeks of the campaign, too.

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At first glance, it might seem as if Clinton in October 2016 was in roughly the same position as Obama was in October 2012, at least with respect to the distribution of votes nationally: Both enjoyed margins of 7 percentage points among exactly the same group of people. But there were critical differences, even beyond the fact that the geographic distribution of support is crucial in making one candidate president. First, the number of undecided respondents in 2016 was 21 percent, significantly outpacing the 15 percent we saw in 2012. Second, our 2016 survey ended on Oct. 24, leaving two full weeks before the Nov. 8 election for people’s minds to change. There was still a lot of time on the clock.

And while most people’s support remained the same, the changes we did observe were consequential. Consider the table below, showing panelists’ support in the October 2016 poll versus their support in the post-election poll, which took place from Nov. 28 to Dec. 7. Eighty-nine percent of the 1,075 American adults reported the same preference in both waves, whether it was for Clinton (38.0 percent), Trump (35.2 percent) or neither (15.8 percent). But among those who did move, Trump had the advantage. While no one moved from Trump to Clinton, 0.9 percent of our respondents moved from Clinton to Trump. Although that 0.9 percent isn’t a lot, those changes are especially influential, since they simultaneously reduce Clinton’s tally and add to Trump’s. If there were a comparable swing in the national electorate, 1.2 million votes would move to Trump.

Trump also outpaced Clinton among people who were previously undecided or third-party backers, with 3.1 percent of respondents moving from those categories to Trump while just 2.3 percent did the same for Clinton. Clinton also saw 3.1 percent of her October supporters defecting to third-party candidates or becoming undecided. Trump lost just 1.7 percent.

In all, Trump picked up 4.0 percentage points among people who hadn’t been with him in mid-October, and shed just 1.7 percentage points for a net gain of 2.3 points. Clinton picked up a smaller fraction — 2.3 points — and shed 4.0 points for a net loss of 1.7 points. . . .

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I dont understand all the verbiosity - how does that explain exit polls being so far off in those Kashkakat v.2.0 Dec 2016 #1
A few days before the election, there were still large numbers of undecideds. pnwmom Dec 2016 #2
That doesn't explain the exit poll 'phenomena'. triron Dec 2016 #4
I think we need to accept that exit polls are now fundamentally flawed. LonePirate Dec 2016 #14
Please read Ron Baiman's paper. triron Dec 2016 #19
It's certainly possible (likely?) that both election fraud occurs and exit polls are flawed. LonePirate Dec 2016 #26
The assumptions made triron Dec 2016 #30
The problem is self selection Yupster Dec 2016 #39
Baiman's paper is worthless because he doesn't understand the flaws of exit polling mythology Dec 2016 #43
Uh, no. You got it bass ackwards. First we get the secure, verifiable voting system Kashkakat v.2.0 Dec 2016 #32
Yes, your sequence is how it should be but people are performing it in reverse now. LonePirate Dec 2016 #34
I think you got it right triron Dec 2016 #40
When States like Florida forthemiddle Dec 2016 #35
Exit polls included a weighted component of early voters calculated through a pre-election poll. BzaDem Dec 2016 #38
Wonder about this as well. triron Dec 2016 #41
It doesn't. They weren't. nt jmg257 Dec 2016 #17
The exit polls weren't off. mythology Dec 2016 #22
Exit polls aren't true samples. They do not contact (much less get a response) Yo_Mama Dec 2016 #23
Fuck 538. They got it wrong, this is an attempt to save face realmirage Dec 2016 #3
Polls cannot measure last minute changes in mind because the polling pnwmom Dec 2016 #5
And there were a lot of undecideds this year. Ace Rothstein Dec 2016 #31
Actually, they were "getting" it right zipplewrath Dec 2016 #6
Nate does not just poll HoneyBadger Dec 2016 #11
He doesn't do polling. He bases his predictions on other people's polls and uses Guy Whitey Corngood Dec 2016 #20
Getting it right at the end of Election Day is meaningless HoneyBadger Dec 2016 #13
Statistical flaw zipplewrath Dec 2016 #28
Who got it right? Renew Deal Dec 2016 #8
Hmm. That's the same response I got when I posted that Silver was warning... Hassin Bin Sober Dec 2016 #16
Nate Silver was one of the few prognisticators who warned about... Buckeye_Democrat Dec 2016 #42
Some did, no doubt, just not enough to mean anything. ucrdem Dec 2016 #7
The evidence says otherwise. DT's win in key swing states was so narrow -- pnwmom Dec 2016 #10
Not really. In WI he won by 1 point, but he leapt from 40 to 48 points to do it: ucrdem Dec 2016 #15
So? If the Comey bombs hadn't been dropped his leap wouldn't have been that big. n/t pnwmom Dec 2016 #36
If anyone switched to Trump at the last minute mtnsnake Dec 2016 #9
Yes, but supposedly Nate's polls predict this HoneyBadger Dec 2016 #12
Polling indicated how quickly the electorate was to switch at any miniscule piece of non-information Tiggeroshii Dec 2016 #18
So Comey's unethical behavior handed the election to Trump. yardwork Dec 2016 #21
Comey is responsible for any disaster Trump brings on our nation/planet. oasis Dec 2016 #24
Because they got the permission slip from Comey Dem2 Dec 2016 #25
Private server was her achilles heel. hollowdweller Dec 2016 #27
We can't just believe her? yallerdawg Dec 2016 #33
COMEY did it. Justice Dec 2016 #29
This defies all common sense and human nature Generator Dec 2016 #37
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