2016 Postmortem

meadowlander

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139. I'm inclined to think though

Wed Dec 7, 2016, 01:44 PM

Dec 2016

that if W wasn't enough to drive the point home, nothing will be.

The problems are:
- No accountability or fact checking of pervasive biased media spreading misinformation
- Decades of underfunding in schools and the state turning a blind eye to "homeschooling" of religious mega-families
- Vote suppression, fraud and gerrymandering
- Weakening of labour rights and solidarity which has driven down working conditions and created wedges between people who would otherwise work together

None of those are solved by having a terrible president who dismantles social programmes people depend on. The system is rigged and we can't keep relying on running vastly superior candidates to compensate for that.

Because we'll have no influence at the top, we need to work from the grassroots to hold the media accountable, get on school boards and make sure kids are learning civics and have qualified actual teachers, get on elections boards, join unions and organise in the workplace.

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My dearest cousin has Trumpgrets over his vote for Trump [View all] bravenak Dec 2016 OP

Your cousin sounds like a peach O_o JHan Dec 2016 #1

Oh he is bravenak Dec 2016 #2

"They must feel the pain", otherwise we're enabling the addiction. They have to "hit bottom" SharonAnn Dec 2016 #81

That is pretty much all we can do bravenak Dec 2016 #85

This is why Trump's election didn't depress me like it did many folks. stevenleser Dec 2016 #93

I agree. I feel more positive these days bravenak Dec 2016 #94

You said a mouth full when you said stevenleser Dec 2016 #95

Yes! We will be on offense... david4justice49 Dec 2016 #132

And when they interview Trump supporters, they whine, Please, Dems, give him a chance!! adigal Dec 2016 #153

Oh yes. bravenak Dec 2016 #145

Now the GOP in the Senate are asking Democrats TrishaJ Dec 2016 #146

Fuck them and fuck anybody that helps bravenak Dec 2016 #147

Wait, wait, wait. Whatthe_Firetruck Dec 2016 #101

That's exactly it. nt stevenleser Dec 2016 #119

8 years, no way zippythepinhead Dec 2016 #102

I'm inclined to agree with you. It depends on a couple of things. stevenleser Dec 2016 #126

Yup. Less than two years until impeachment for corruption, imo. Oneironaut Dec 2016 #137

Less than 1 year. Enter President Pence. Missn-Hitch Dec 2016 #141

I would agree with you were it not for climate change. femmedem Dec 2016 #107

Similar to what I said to the poster below, if we had a different choice, I would certainly make it. stevenleser Dec 2016 #122

Bully for you that you can afford lessons. Some of us may die in the process robbedvoter Dec 2016 #117

Your rant would mean something if we actually had a choice. Since we don't it's meaningless. nt stevenleser Dec 2016 #120

Steve, I would be more sympathetic to your point if it weren't Trump in the White House. Oneironaut Dec 2016 #129

That's the point though isn't it? If 'W' wasn't enough to drive the point home, something worse is stevenleser Dec 2016 #130

I believe that a certain segment will never learn their lesson. Oneironaut Dec 2016 #135

There is no question about that. The question is, how many can we peel away. stevenleser Dec 2016 #138

I'm inclined to think though meadowlander Dec 2016 #139

I hear you. See my #138 above. stevenleser Dec 2016 #140

"they" are not just Trump voters. A lot of democrats - not you, obviously- robbedvoter Dec 2016 #118

Again, your rant is misplaced. Save it for those who voted Trump, not those of us trying to stevenleser Dec 2016 #121

Seems we share the same sentiments. I preface my comments with, Missn-Hitch Dec 2016 #144

Yes, and look, I understand commenter robbedvoter's anger and fear but it is misdirected stevenleser Dec 2016 #149

I hear ya. Cheers. Missn-Hitch Dec 2016 #150

There are some we'll never get through to, regardless of our message. TwilightZone Dec 2016 #3

I think you might be right bravenak Dec 2016 #9

His refusal to learn even the basics is a little bizarre. TwilightZone Dec 2016 #18

He absolutely doesn't want... 3catwoman3 Dec 2016 #39

I thought he probably wanted to lose the race and win the popular vote so he could milk it... TwilightZone Dec 2016 #42

Yes and he already triron Dec 2016 #44

And so did Mitch Fucking McConnell, which is... 3catwoman3 Dec 2016 #50

never thought of that...maybe triron Dec 2016 #55

yes of course he did. lonestarnot Dec 2016 #96

Trump wants to continue those "Victory Tour" rallies indefinitely. No Vested Interest Dec 2016 #104

it isn't "some" Cosmocat Dec 2016 #112

Just like the white seniors who demanded that the Government stay away from "their" Medicare. guillaumeb Dec 2016 #4

others, never at all. barbtries Dec 2016 #73

Well, as Lincoln is said to have observed, guillaumeb Dec 2016 #125

he was right. barbtries Dec 2016 #128

Let's hope your cousin will mull over what you have said democrank Dec 2016 #5

I wish he had ever had senses to come back to. Lifelong stupid is the worst kind bravenak Dec 2016 #6

And we now have a nation about to live in despair, with all respect, because of damn fools like RKP5637 Dec 2016 #7

Honestly? He never realizes anything until it might harm him bravenak Dec 2016 #12

It's bad enough to deal with this outside of ones family, but when in the family it's RKP5637 Dec 2016 #16

He is very stressed out bravenak Dec 2016 #22

It seems it should help some, hopefully. n/t RKP5637 Dec 2016 #28

I thought you said that Trump supporters were all racists that we shouldn't waste our time on Renew Deal Dec 2016 #8

He is racist. But I'm related to him so I get to shame him in person bravenak Dec 2016 #10

lol Renew Deal Dec 2016 #11

impressed that he's at least seeing it clearly now, not just blaming Obama for reasons... 0rganism Dec 2016 #13

I think he might hate Trump now. It's funny as hell bravenak Dec 2016 #27

This is the cousin you had to feed the other day? Maybe, just maybe... TreasonousBastard Dec 2016 #14

Same one. bravenak Dec 2016 #23

That must be sweet - at least for a moment. Chemisse Dec 2016 #30

I enjoy it bravenak Dec 2016 #32

You don't waste your time with them. Liberal Veteran Dec 2016 #15

Well said!!!!!! n/t RKP5637 Dec 2016 #17

Yeah, I am just trying to help him understand that this is all his own dumb fault bravenak Dec 2016 #25

Trump is going to give us unique opportunities to reach out to people stevenleser Dec 2016 #97

His phone isn't an Obama phone. coco22 Dec 2016 #19

Please do not tell him that bravenak Dec 2016 #26

He's got no one to blame but himself C_U_L8R Dec 2016 #20

"Trumpgrets" J_William_Ryan Dec 2016 #21

Let's make sure to bring how much he sucks up often. bravenak Dec 2016 #29

K&R CajunBlazer Dec 2016 #24

On a minor positive note, your OP reminded me of ... Persondem Dec 2016 #31

That was pretty funny bravenak Dec 2016 #33

So sorry you have a relative who is a knucklehead. Didn't he realize that Obama wasn't running? catbyte Dec 2016 #34

Obama was totally on the ballot for him regardless of reality bravenak Dec 2016 #53

ACA. SS. Medicare. sheshe2 Dec 2016 #35

Sheshe, sick as it makes me, I fear you are right. classof56 Dec 2016 #52

Hey class, sheshe2 Dec 2016 #75

Ah, thank you so much! classof56 Dec 2016 #157

I am so very mad at certain of my family members bravenak Dec 2016 #87

I am so sorry honey... sheshe2 Dec 2016 #90

everyone who voted for trumpfuhrer heaven05 Dec 2016 #142

I know heaven. sheshe2 Dec 2016 #161

I'm sure a lot of voters who said they were tired of Republicans after Bush II C Moon Dec 2016 #36

Poor fellow! Why don't you serve him a plate of Schadenfreude chicken. nt Xipe Totec Dec 2016 #37

Your cousin should have listened to you, BUT..... LisaM Dec 2016 #38

That was straight up garbage the way those emails dominated bravenak Dec 2016 #58

What do we say about addict? Only until someone its rock bottom are they open to help Feeling the Bern Dec 2016 #40

Lets hope so bravenak Dec 2016 #67

Minority trump supporter that isn't a trust fund baby. Like Jews for Hitler. Feeling the Bern Dec 2016 #82

Absolutely. I told him he wants Massa back bravenak Dec 2016 #86

Old Men rawhideal Dec 2016 #41

A number of trumpsters are having trumpgrets Gothmog Dec 2016 #43

Too bad they screwed it up for us too bravenak Dec 2016 #69

Tell your cousin .... flying-skeleton Dec 2016 #45

Trumpsters OWN this one. ffr Dec 2016 #46

Tell him that he will get exactly what he deserves, but you don't deserve it. world wide wally Dec 2016 #47

I did. Felt good too bravenak Dec 2016 #68

For the life of me,I do not understand people like your cousin amuse bouche Dec 2016 #48

I can't help feeling sorry for people like your cousin. johnp3907 Dec 2016 #49

and it was THEIR messaging. barbtries Dec 2016 #51

I know. How to combat propaganda in real time bravenak Dec 2016 #61

constantly barbtries Dec 2016 #71

My apologies, but, your dearest cousin is a dipshit. Downtown Hound Dec 2016 #54

I want to say he deserves it bravenak Dec 2016 #57

If that what it takes to wake these morons up, then yes Downtown Hound Dec 2016 #60

I am... berksdem Dec 2016 #123

Reminds of when I was working with for the FEDs in 2006 and Bush instituted a Reduction in Force. kairos12 Dec 2016 #56

Birthers aren't reachable vlakitti Dec 2016 #59

Right? Nothing we could ever say would work. Waste of time bravenak Dec 2016 #62

I dunno vlakitti Dec 2016 #79

We cannot craft a message for them mcar Dec 2016 #63

Yep bravenak Dec 2016 #65

Does he still get Xmas card?? benld74 Dec 2016 #64

No. I'm athiest thank goodness bravenak Dec 2016 #66

I have a cousin like yours. Granny M Dec 2016 #70

It was so frustrating to read facebook posts that I refuse to log in bravenak Dec 2016 #72

I think that right now he is so confused that he's not sure... Stellar Dec 2016 #74

When reality crashes into... Crunchy Frog Dec 2016 #76

Guess you'd better tell your cousin to pull himself up by his bootstraps. It's the GOP way. Vinca Dec 2016 #77

2016 election Lamonte Dec 2016 #78

My misled mother Johnny2X2X Dec 2016 #80

I hope that millions of Trump supporters will have their Day of Reckoning as did your cousin. kstewart33 Dec 2016 #83

I hope they do each and every one of them feel this feeling he is feeling bravenak Dec 2016 #88

Swindled many a good man Dec 2016 #84

I want him to keep feeling bad so he never ever does anything this stupid again bravenak Dec 2016 #89

He voted for it he deserves it. Doreen Dec 2016 #91

"Pit of Anger." Bohunk68 Dec 2016 #108

Has he not been paying attention awoke_in_2003 Dec 2016 #92

Idk blue cat Dec 2016 #98

Elections have consequences and he will feel the pain... Historic NY Dec 2016 #99

They can do it, but they probably won't. Shoonra Dec 2016 #100

take heart zippythepinhead Dec 2016 #103

I don't understand how anyone could not see this coming True_Blue Dec 2016 #105

Just tell your cuz that trump is the ultimate con man and he's the sucker Sucker's get fleeced when TeamPooka Dec 2016 #106

Regrets? Already? Patsy Gomez Dec 2016 #109

To the extent Trump was "elected," even after losing by 2 million votes, it is a triumph of the... NNadir Dec 2016 #110

The answer Coolest Ranger Dec 2016 #111

Those who have Trumpgrets made their beds, now they need to sleep in them. muntrv Dec 2016 #113

The toxic combination of Obama Derangement Syndrome and voting against one's own best interest. Snarkoleptic Dec 2016 #114

Sorry for your cousin LittleGirl Dec 2016 #115

Any decision made based on hatred - not just politics - is bound to be a bad one robbedvoter Dec 2016 #116

Tell him maybe he can get a job as a servant to the 1% who lunatica Dec 2016 #124

"This is what hate does to the mind. It makes people stupid. " sfwriter Dec 2016 #127

Boo-hoo hatrack Dec 2016 #131

"That's what hate does to the mind. It makes people stupid." CanonRay Dec 2016 #133

Talking calmly to your cousin for an hour on holidays... Orsino Dec 2016 #134

exactly heaven05 Dec 2016 #136

What pisses me off Turin_C3PO Dec 2016 #143

the only argument for sympathy DonCoquixote Dec 2016 #148

This is exactly what the trumpsters voted for Lebam in LA Dec 2016 #151

I think this is the right way to handle things bravenak Dec 2016 #152

exactly right Lebam in LA Dec 2016 #156

you can not fix ones that do not want to think Angry Dragon Dec 2016 #154

The only message these idjits understand.... lastlib Dec 2016 #155

Lawd have mercy Chitown Kev Dec 2016 #158

He is driving me crazy right now bravenak Dec 2016 #159

and you buy his groceries? Chitown Kev Dec 2016 #160

And he would be too stupid to understand a word you say bravenak Dec 2016 #162