2016 Postmortem

Squinch

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12. People just aren't ready to hear what that means. It means either, as you say, making life a

Fri Dec 2, 2016, 05:00 PM

Dec 2016

living hell for workers, or going to a guaranteed living wage for all Americans paid for by actual corporate taxes and taxes on the wealthy who have garnered all the gains of all that manufacturing while cutting their contribution to the public weal. It means either going back to the low standard of living of the early industrial age (think children laboring so a family can survive, no safety net, general misery) or a switch to a much more socialistic structure.

I think it is going to take the misery of the first scenario for the second scenario to come about, and I don't think I'll live long enough to see the second scenario. (I'm 55 and plan to live to be a hundred.)

It makes me very sad. I see the horror that is coming, and I know that will be the tenor of my old age and last years.

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Yet another reason that Hillary lost [View all] CajunBlazer Dec 2016 OP

One word...tariffs...we absolutely need those jobs back. Demsrule86 Dec 2016 #1

What is the "bowl of rice crowd"? ismnotwasm Dec 2016 #3

It's a slur that a progressive shouldn't use CajunBlazer Dec 2016 #14

I was afraid of that ismnotwasm Dec 2016 #30

You are disappointed that I think you used a slur? CajunBlazer Dec 2016 #36

Xenophobia is at the heart of so-called "populism" radius777 Dec 2016 #28

Tariffs are bad. Subsidize Robots Blue Shoes Dec 2016 #5

We manufacture more in the US now than we have ever done before. The problem is that Squinch Dec 2016 #9

Yep. I've posted before that US manufacturing is basically at an all-time high. Garrett78 Dec 2016 #10

People just aren't ready to hear what that means. It means either, as you say, making life a Squinch Dec 2016 #12

I was listening to Marketplace last night tammywammy Dec 2016 #19

Elon Musk has made some pretty smart statements about this. It is going to be the Squinch Dec 2016 #20

Tarriff have very little to do with job lossses CajunBlazer Dec 2016 #13

so you are for tariffs? No shit we need Tariffs. I bet trade agreements are way better though! JCanete Dec 2016 #27

I don't see certain jobs "coming back" either. ismnotwasm Dec 2016 #2

That story sure sprouted legs big time. Wellstone ruled Dec 2016 #7

Exactly! ismnotwasm Dec 2016 #11

Growing up in Northern Wisconsin Wellstone ruled Dec 2016 #15

I'm from the Pacific Northwest too... Blanks Dec 2016 #34

Want good paying union jobs. So they elect the union busting candidate? ffr Dec 2016 #4

You mean you don't believe people are gullable enough.... CajunBlazer Dec 2016 #16

I know, right! ffr Dec 2016 #24

How do we KNOW for sure that the polls were wrong about those states ... LenaBaby61 Dec 2016 #6

And you my friend believe in a conspiracy theory... CajunBlazer Dec 2016 #18

Uh huh ... LenaBaby61 Dec 2016 #22

Yep, based all that I have read, he was CajunBlazer Dec 2016 #35

Apparently you have fallen for many conspiracy theories. LenaBaby61 Dec 2016 #38

No, most logical people don't fall for conspriricy theories CajunBlazer Dec 2016 #39

Something doesn't seem right and I agree with you. ffr Dec 2016 #25

Honestly neither party has a solution. Automation will soon be taking over white collar jobs too. RAFisher Dec 2016 #8

That's a problem for the future, and the future is closeer than we think CajunBlazer Dec 2016 #17

Post-scarcity, many things could become free/near-free, radius777 Dec 2016 #29

Obama touched on automation in his last STOU speech. joshcryer Dec 2016 #33

It's a lot more complicated than you make it out to be. Exilednight Dec 2016 #21

I mentioned that replies most jobs were lost to automation ... CajunBlazer Dec 2016 #23

I'd like to know the difference, as well, between "outsourcing" a production line to automation ... JHan Dec 2016 #26

Yep, a pipedream CajunBlazer Dec 2016 #31

Manufacturing is not coming back. joshcryer Dec 2016 #32

Agreed CajunBlazer Dec 2016 #37