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still_one

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11. at least you gave me an answer, though it doesn't hold water. Johnson was the establishment
Thu Dec 1, 2016, 04:05 AM
Dec 2016

candidate. It might be argued in 2010 when he ran against Russ, he was a "populist", but not in 2016. In 2016 he towed the establishment republican view, hook, line and sinker.

The people of Wisconsin knew where Russ stood and where Johnson stood on the issues. In fact, based on this last election, I think Wisconsin has now demonstrated they might even be considered a red state now. Look how many chances they had to throw Scott Walker out, and they didn't

The people in the swing states knew the people who were running for the Senate, and they knew where the candidates stood. In the most critical states all the Democrats were liberal, except Kirkpatrick who was a moderate, and they all were defeated by the establishment republican incumbent:

http://www.ontheissues.org/Senate/Deborah_Ross.htm
http://www.ontheissues.org/Senate/Katie_McGinty.htm
http://www.ontheissues.org/Senate/Russell_Feingold.htm
http://www.ontheissues.org/PA/Patrick_Murphy.htm
http://www.ontheissues.org/OH/Ted_Strickland.htm
http://www.ontheissues.org/Senate/Jason_Kander.htm
http://www.ontheissues.org/House/Ann_Kirkpatrick.htm

This election was more clear than any election in recent times. People knew what the issues were

The Supreme Court was an issue, the environment was an issue, women's rights, civil rights, health care, the economy, social security, and Medicare, and the ACA.

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Then explain to me why Russ Feingold and Zyper, Teachout lost? Why did every swing state Democrat still_one Dec 2016 #1
Large amount of cash funded non-stop ads calling Feingold the establishment candidate. andym Dec 2016 #6
I was following Teachout's race very closely and can attest to this. PatsFan87 Dec 2016 #10
at least you gave me an answer, though it doesn't hold water. Johnson was the establishment still_one Dec 2016 #11
Knowlegeable voters knew where they stood-- but they are a minority andym Dec 2016 #12
I think people did know the issues. We're just going to disagree. Scott Walker won multiple times still_one Dec 2016 #13
All the Democrats were liberals except Kirkpatrick? PatsFan87 Dec 2016 #15
While I don't completely agree with all your characterizations, I do agree with the point still_one Dec 2016 #18
A lot of republicans thought Hillary was going to win - most people did NRQ891 Dec 2016 #16
donald trump is a celebrity. that is more important than any reason issue IMO msongs Dec 2016 #2
I was also refering to the energy behind Sanders nt NRQ891 Dec 2016 #3
Nearly all GOP incumbents won. TwilightZone Dec 2016 #4
Well said, plus 1 emulatorloo Dec 2016 #5
They got in partially because they were seen as being permissive to the change Trump would bring andym Dec 2016 #7
they didnt really think Trump would win NRQ891 Dec 2016 #17
Rate of incumbent re-election even higher than usual and most Wall Street-friendly candidate ever! Garrett78 Dec 2016 #8
Message auto-removed Name removed Dec 2016 #9
I agree with everything except the clueless part. I don't think people were clueless. still_one Dec 2016 #14
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