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NNadir

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44. It's rather amazing that our experience is so similar.
Mon Oct 6, 2025, 02:39 PM
Oct 6

My Dad - who only had an 8th grade education was Superintendent of the Sunday School. (He set the record for raising money for the new Sunday School building.) My mother (with a 10th grade education) was a Sunday School teacher.

And yes it was an Episcopalian church.

With my parents I was in the atheist closet, and I was "asked" without really a right to refuse, to teach the 5th grade Sunday School.

I did it straight for two or three Sundays for my class which was all boys. I could see they were bored out of their minds. I told them if I had unanimous consent, we could skip the lessons and discuss any topic they wanted to discuss, so long as everyone agreed to keep the decision between us. They all agreed and that's what we did.

It seems in retrospect that I could have gotten in huge trouble, but I never did.

A funny thing was that in my folksinging days, I became fascinated with the great guitarist and singer Josh White, whose repertoire consisted almost entirely of spirituals. I had renditions of a few of his pieces in my performances. Why, I can't say. I just liked the music. My aunts told my mother when she got sick that I couldn't be an atheist because I sang and played those songs. They didn't realize that I used to also have a version of Joni Mitchell's "Woman of Heart and Mind" without being a woman.

At my mother's funeral my aunts wanted me to sing and play some Josh White tunes. I declined, but I did set up a record player to play a Josh White album of his rendition of "His Eye Is on the Sparrow."


I sing because I'm Happy.
I sing because I'm free...


It was a very beautiful piece of music.

That was an occasion where I faked religiosity. It was the least I could do for my father and my aunts, who had done so much to carry me through those terrible times, taking care of her as she died.

That was decidedly not a time to assert my views on faith or lack thereof.

It is notable that many of them prayed, brought in religious talismans so on and so on as my mother laid dying. The result of that experiment is that my mother died, which didn't change their hypothesis that a powerful and personal god exists in their minds but validated my hypothesis that no such being existed.

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I am polite and respectful. My family is also. Srkdqltr Oct 5 #1
Out as an atheist. joshdawg Oct 5 #2
I certainly respect your view. I'm not there myself, but I respect it. NNadir Oct 5 #6
I say I'm not religious, I'm philosophical about my morals Nigrum Cattus Oct 5 #3
My family was also seriously catholic buzzycrumbhunger Oct 5 #4
"... the easter bunny left me a book with tarot cards in my basket..." CrispyQ Oct 5 #9
LOL at that last toon! Bayard Oct 5 #17
Darn... GiqueCee Yesterday #58
Yeah, I set my images to delete in 2 weeks, but here you go. CrispyQ Yesterday #61
THANKS! GiqueCee Yesterday #63
Wish I had the ovum to be a bitch. Collimator Oct 5 #10
I think being female adds another layer... buzzycrumbhunger Oct 5 #22
Standing up for yourself isn't "bitchy" IbogaProject Oct 6 #41
Over the course of my life every Atheist I have met BigmanPigman Oct 6 #45
In some certian circumstances i will show respect gay texan Oct 5 #5
I certainly am not "closeted" with complete strangers. I'll do it to avoid pain for people I love. NNadir Oct 5 #8
Yes..... gay texan Oct 5 #25
I used to work with a Sikh. The Madcap Yesterday #53
All of them were so very kind gay texan 16 hrs ago #64
I am pretty much where you are rurallib Oct 6 #40
exactly!! samnsara Yesterday #50
If you really want to get them fired up The Madcap Yesterday #51
Seems only other heathens would be aware that you didn't bow your head. CrispyQ Oct 5 #7
I do a fair amount of woodworking for churches. Woodwizard Oct 5 #11
"When one person suffers from a delusion, it is called insanity. When many people suffer from a delusion it is called a twodogsbarking Oct 5 #12
I like that locution. Hopefully you will not be offended if I steal it regularly. NNadir Oct 5 #13
Epicurean paradox is another zinger IbogaProject Oct 6 #42
I am out as an agnostic NewHendoLib Oct 5 #14
I feel safely out with professional colleagues, but very closeted with family. Religion strong on both sides of the tree eppur_se_muova Oct 5 #15
I suspect that Thomas Jefferson was an atheist. I also believe, although he clearly was changed by the Civil War... NNadir Oct 5 #19
with TFG... NewLarry Oct 5 #36
Closeted. I'm afraid if MAGA and the crappy fundies. AllyCat Oct 5 #16
I am an out Atheist. Eko Oct 5 #18
Closeted agnostic anciano Oct 5 #20
utterly out mike_c Oct 5 #21
Unapologetic atheist. no_hypocrisy Oct 5 #23
An interesting story. Your father could accept your atheism just so long as you weren't Muslim. NNadir Oct 5 #24
Oh, there's more. I "came out" to my mother. no_hypocrisy Oct 5 #26
I consider myself agnostic Skittles Oct 5 #27
That's pretty close to where I'm at. n/t. NNadir Oct 5 #31
I was closeted when my parents were alive. Girard442 Oct 5 #28
If they are obnoxious in my place, they cannot do what animals do. GreenWave Oct 5 #29
If ask I often say I'm a Red Letter Christian. multigraincracker Oct 5 #30
There is a blogger known as "Captain Cassidy". . . Collimator Yesterday #55
I openly admit I'm an Atheist LogDog75 Oct 5 #32
Out. sinkingfeeling Oct 5 #33
Open atheist. tblue37 Oct 5 #34
Closeted church musician atheist oberle Oct 5 #35
Every Christmas, my wife and I travel up to Bethlehem, PA for the Lehigh University Christmas Vespers. NNadir Oct 5 #37
I'm respectful to others, but... wysimdnwyg Oct 5 #38
Yep I don't seek it out but I will participate if I go IbogaProject Oct 6 #39
It's rather amazing that our experience is so similar. NNadir Oct 6 #44
I am out because I want to normalize non-believers Envirogal Oct 6 #43
" Atheists are very feared. . ." Collimator Yesterday #57
Proudly Open Faux pas Oct 7 #46
very much out Brainstormy Oct 10 #47
I am much more out now than I was 20 years ago. Cuthbert Allgood Monday #48
nope! There are folks I dont flaunt it in front of because I respect their beliefs... samnsara Thursday #49
Been 'open' since I was a teen... MiHale Yesterday #52
I don't flaunt it... buzzycrumbhunger Yesterday #54
I think that we don't proselytise with our atheism because we are not... NNadir Yesterday #56
I've always referred to myself... GiqueCee Yesterday #59
I've been an open (and sometimes loud) atheist since '75 -misanthroptimist Yesterday #60
I will tell people I'm a non-believer, but will be respectful of their rituals. sinkingfeeling Yesterday #62
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