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NNadir

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19. I suspect that Thomas Jefferson was an atheist. I also believe, although he clearly was changed by the Civil War...
Sun Oct 5, 2025, 04:52 PM
Oct 5

...that Lincoln was at least agnostic for parts of his life. He was not a regular church goer at any point in his life. His intellectual power came from reading, and it is certainly the case that in his youth, one of the only books available to him was the Bible. His mind was certainly powerful enough to understand that nonsense was nonsense.

His beautiful second inaugural speech of course, contained clear, overt, religious references, but I don't think up until the war was well on that he adopted a religion and it seems to me, that it was possibly metaphoric. He was, up to his death, a deeply troubled man, and it is normal, to my mind, for many people to embrace religion as a crutch in moments of extreme anxiety. People seem to need that suffering has some deeper meaning. I don't believe it does, but I understand people who do so need that crutch.

The orange pedophile is clearly an atheist to my mind, which is not to say that his atheism reflects on the rest of us, who can be ethical without reference to a god. There is no evidence that he ever seriously believed in any god other than money, despite what the MAGA Christian right cultists - who his managers use quite well - think.

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I am polite and respectful. My family is also. Srkdqltr Oct 5 #1
Out as an atheist. joshdawg Oct 5 #2
I certainly respect your view. I'm not there myself, but I respect it. NNadir Oct 5 #6
I say I'm not religious, I'm philosophical about my morals Nigrum Cattus Oct 5 #3
My family was also seriously catholic buzzycrumbhunger Oct 5 #4
"... the easter bunny left me a book with tarot cards in my basket..." CrispyQ Oct 5 #9
LOL at that last toon! Bayard Oct 5 #17
Darn... GiqueCee 14 hrs ago #58
Yeah, I set my images to delete in 2 weeks, but here you go. CrispyQ 13 hrs ago #61
THANKS! GiqueCee 11 hrs ago #63
Wish I had the ovum to be a bitch. Collimator Oct 5 #10
I think being female adds another layer... buzzycrumbhunger Oct 5 #22
Standing up for yourself isn't "bitchy" IbogaProject Oct 6 #41
Over the course of my life every Atheist I have met BigmanPigman Oct 6 #45
In some certian circumstances i will show respect gay texan Oct 5 #5
I certainly am not "closeted" with complete strangers. I'll do it to avoid pain for people I love. NNadir Oct 5 #8
Yes..... gay texan Oct 5 #25
I used to work with a Sikh. The Madcap 15 hrs ago #53
I am pretty much where you are rurallib Oct 6 #40
exactly!! samnsara 16 hrs ago #50
If you really want to get them fired up The Madcap 15 hrs ago #51
Seems only other heathens would be aware that you didn't bow your head. CrispyQ Oct 5 #7
I do a fair amount of woodworking for churches. Woodwizard Oct 5 #11
"When one person suffers from a delusion, it is called insanity. When many people suffer from a delusion it is called a twodogsbarking Oct 5 #12
I like that locution. Hopefully you will not be offended if I steal it regularly. NNadir Oct 5 #13
Epicurean paradox is another zinger IbogaProject Oct 6 #42
I am out as an agnostic NewHendoLib Oct 5 #14
I feel safely out with professional colleagues, but very closeted with family. Religion strong on both sides of the tree eppur_se_muova Oct 5 #15
I suspect that Thomas Jefferson was an atheist. I also believe, although he clearly was changed by the Civil War... NNadir Oct 5 #19
with TFG... NewLarry Oct 5 #36
Closeted. I'm afraid if MAGA and the crappy fundies. AllyCat Oct 5 #16
I am an out Atheist. Eko Oct 5 #18
Closeted agnostic anciano Oct 5 #20
utterly out mike_c Oct 5 #21
Unapologetic atheist. no_hypocrisy Oct 5 #23
An interesting story. Your father could accept your atheism just so long as you weren't Muslim. NNadir Oct 5 #24
Oh, there's more. I "came out" to my mother. no_hypocrisy Oct 5 #26
I consider myself agnostic Skittles Oct 5 #27
That's pretty close to where I'm at. n/t. NNadir Oct 5 #31
I was closeted when my parents were alive. Girard442 Oct 5 #28
If they are obnoxious in my place, they cannot do what animals do. GreenWave Oct 5 #29
If ask I often say I'm a Red Letter Christian. multigraincracker Oct 5 #30
There is a blogger known as "Captain Cassidy". . . Collimator 15 hrs ago #55
I openly admit I'm an Atheist LogDog75 Oct 5 #32
Out. sinkingfeeling Oct 5 #33
Open atheist. tblue37 Oct 5 #34
Closeted church musician atheist oberle Oct 5 #35
Every Christmas, my wife and I travel up to Bethlehem, PA for the Lehigh University Christmas Vespers. NNadir Oct 5 #37
I'm respectful to others, but... wysimdnwyg Oct 5 #38
Yep I don't seek it out but I will participate if I go IbogaProject Oct 6 #39
It's rather amazing that our experience is so similar. NNadir Oct 6 #44
I am out because I want to normalize non-believers Envirogal Oct 6 #43
" Atheists are very feared. . ." Collimator 14 hrs ago #57
Proudly Open Faux pas Oct 7 #46
very much out Brainstormy Oct 10 #47
I am much more out now than I was 20 years ago. Cuthbert Allgood Monday #48
nope! There are folks I dont flaunt it in front of because I respect their beliefs... samnsara Yesterday #49
Been 'open' since I was a teen... MiHale 15 hrs ago #52
I don't flaunt it... buzzycrumbhunger 15 hrs ago #54
I think that we don't proselytise with our atheism because we are not... NNadir 15 hrs ago #56
I've always referred to myself... GiqueCee 14 hrs ago #59
I've been an open (and sometimes loud) atheist since '75 -misanthroptimist 13 hrs ago #60
I will tell people I'm a non-believer, but will be respectful of their rituals. sinkingfeeling 13 hrs ago #62
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