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13. Thank you, I find that fascinating
Thu Jan 10, 2013, 08:38 AM
Jan 2013

I'm at a point where I am tired of the black and white view of things; which usually ends with people just trying to live their lives being told, not to let go, but to GIVE UP.

I like what you described as the Native American view, not so much the Christianized version.

Here is the first definition I found listed for "forgiveness":

Forgiveness is the renunciation or cessation of resentment, indignation or anger as a result of a perceived offense, disagreement, or mistake, or CEASING TO DEMAND PUNISHMENT OR RESTITUTION.

The caps are my emphasis. I fully believe in people being treated justly, but if "forgiveness" is to cease to demand restitution for a terrible wrong of some kind, that's not justice and I believe it is demeaning to those who do not do great harm. I believe that one can detach emotionally enough so that the flames of hatred are not burning you up from the inside (that's self abuse IMO) and still work toward a more just society. This is just what I have come to in my life, subject to change but I don't see where I am as defective because I have an alternate view of the word "forgiveness".

Edit to add: My IDEAL (not doable by me really, since I become insensed over horrific injustices to the innocent and am working on detaching there) would be to not be eaten alive by rage against people who abuse animals or children, but still call for justice to be done, real justice, so to make these crimes less common in our society. Justice is to work toward ending that person's damaging behavior, take the pedophile off the streets, create tougher laws that take animal abusers off the streets for greater lengths of time, laws that require real counseling and follow-up. Right now I do get too eaten up over these issues, but I'm working on more emotional balance, but I still think justice needs to be served.

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Which Wolf Will You Feed? [View all] mother earth Jan 2013 OP
I like this get the red out Jan 2013 #1
Forgiveness frees yourself from energetic/karmic attachment. The other party Fire Walk With Me Jan 2013 #2
I very much support freeing onself get the red out Jan 2013 #4
Believe me I am struggling with the same thing ... mntleo2 Jan 2013 #5
I understand the self-blame game get the red out Jan 2013 #6
"The Great Condemner" tama Jan 2013 #8
The story.... Why Syzygy Jan 2013 #9
I'd first seen this story/metaphor as an American Indian answering a child's question Fire Walk With Me Jan 2013 #10
That makes more sense. Why Syzygy Jan 2013 #11
The part of the Bible which interests me is that Christ taught we are spirit, Fire Walk With Me Jan 2013 #12
Thank you, I find that fascinating get the red out Jan 2013 #13
Does it matter if the story is truly of native origin? Aren't we really talking about explaining mother earth Jan 2013 #14
Does it matter? Why Syzygy Jan 2013 #16
TY, WS, sorry if my OP was offensive to anyone. mother earth Jan 2013 #18
I wasn't offended! Why Syzygy Jan 2013 #19
You have given me some food for thought ... mntleo2 Jan 2013 #15
What wonderful Why Syzygy Jan 2013 #17
Love that metaphor. Fire Walk With Me Jan 2013 #3
Good story tama Jan 2013 #7
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