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In reply to the discussion: China's 'War on Terror' uproots families, leaked data shows [View all]guillaumeb
(42,649 posts)37. Perhaps in your reading, you overlooked this part:
The database emphasizes that the Chinese government focused on religion as a reason for detention not just political extremism, as authorities claim, but ordinary activities such as praying, attending a mosque, or even growing a long beard. It also shows the role of family: People with detained relatives are far more likely to end up in a camp themselves, uprooting and criminalizing entire families like Emers in the process.
And perhaps you also missed this:
Its very clear that religious practice is being targeted, said Darren Byler, a University of Colorado researcher studying the use of surveillance technology in Xinjiang. They want to fragment society, to pull the families apart and make them much more vulnerable to retraining and reeducation.
And perhaps you missed this, as well:
China has struggled for decades to control Xinjiang, where the native Uighurs have long resented Beijings heavy-handed rule. With the 9/11 attacks in the United States, officials began using the specter of terrorism to justify harsher religious restrictions, saying young Uighurs were susceptible to Islamic extremism.
And, perhaps you missed this, aswell:
Detainees and their families are tracked and classified by rigid, well-defined categories. Households are designated as trustworthy or not trustworthy, and their attitudes are graded as ordinary or good. Families have light or heavy religious atmospheres, and the database keeps count of how many relatives of each detainee are locked in prison or sent to a training center.
Possibly, you even missed this:
Reasons listed for internment include minor religious infection, disturbs other persons by visiting them without reasons, relatives abroad, thinking is hard to grasp and untrustworthy person born in a certain decade. The last seems to refer to younger men; about 31 percent of people considered untrustworthy were in the age bracket of 25 to 29 years, according to an analysis of the data by Zenz.
And, perhaps you missed this as well:
That didnt stop authorities from detaining the imam, who is in his eighties, and sentencing him on various charges for up to 12 years in prison over 2017 and 2018. The database cites four charges in various entries: stirring up terrorism, acting as an unauthorized wild imam, following the strict Saudi Wahhabi sect and conducting illegal religious teachings.
Perhaps, even this escaped your reasing:
None of Emers three sons had been convicted of a crime. But the database shows that over the course of 2017, all were thrown into the detention camps for having too many children, trying to travel abroad, being untrustworthy or infected with religious extremism,or going on the Hajj, the Muslim pilgrimage to the holy city of Mecca. It also shows that their relation to Emer and their religious background was enough to convince officials they were too dangerous to let out from the detention camps.
I tried to be as thorough as possible, but it is truly difficult to avoid the obvious, that being a theist is sufficient reason to be put in a concentration camp in China.
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What I actually say is that people have a variety of reasons for their behavior.
guillaumeb
Mar 2020
#8
By not venerating teachings and texts that promote and perpetuate our differences, right?
trotsky
Mar 2020
#62
My own view is that my experiences are anecdotal and my "study" lacks rigor.
Act_of_Reparation
Mar 2020
#72
If you have been reading the many articles about the Chinese Government surveillance state,
guillaumeb
Mar 2020
#46
Let's get one thing fucking clear, bub: I didn't abandon it. You failed to make your point.
trotsky
Mar 2020
#52
To those of us working to understand intolerance, and confront it, it does matter.
trotsky
Mar 2020
#57
So if every theist does not see these few verses as requiring, or promoting, intolerance,
guillaumeb
Mar 2020
#65