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The Velveteen Ocelot

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2. "The sanctity of life" has fck-all to do with it.
Mon May 27, 2019, 11:59 AM
May 2019

I'll give the Pope a little credit for at least being consistent; he also opposes the death penalty and supports anti-poverty initiatives. But the evangelicals are generally in favor of the death penalty and have no interest in doing anything to help babies once they're born, or their mothers. Too poor to support a child? Sucks to be you, you gotta have it anyhow and you and the baby are on your own.

The reason the most recent legislation out of Alabama and other states was made so extreme was to make sure it would be challenged in court so the Supreme Court would (they hope) reverse Roe v. Wade. But previous legislation, however restrictive, has always included exceptions for rape, incest and the life or health of the woman. These exceptions were to make the bills politically palatable enough that they would be passed. But if you want to mess with an evangelical pro-lifer's head, ask them why those exceptions are OK if abortion is murder. The only possible answers can be either that not all abortions are murder or that some kinds of murder are OK. If all unborn embryos/fetuses are equally innocent, why is abortion not murder, or else an OK kind of murder, in some situations or not in others?

They're on a slippery slope and they know it; if abortion could be made illegal in all cases the laws would be completely untenable, so they have to be satisfied with making it illegal in as many cases as possible. But the reason clearly isn't because of the so-called sanctity of life (otherwise they'd insist all abortion is wrong); it's to control women's sexuality and limit their agency.

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Hello, Religion Group members. [View all] Kind of Blue May 2019 OP
The whole "pro-life" thing is nothing more than a false moral construct Major Nikon May 2019 #1
Thanks for that. I'm assuming the RCC is the Roman Catholic Church. Kind of Blue May 2019 #5
"The sanctity of life" has fck-all to do with it. The Velveteen Ocelot May 2019 #2
Good questions and the ones I'm hoping we don't Kind of Blue May 2019 #6
Thanks for sharing that here. MineralMan May 2019 #3
Yeah, they are a godsend... lol Kind of Blue May 2019 #8
You're assuming the Religious Right read their Bibles for guidance. Girard442 May 2019 #4
They claim to. Really, though, they MineralMan May 2019 #7
Sorry but many can quote whole sections Voltaire2 May 2019 #10
There's a big, big difference between parroting cherry-picked verses... Girard442 May 2019 #11
They comprehend it their way. Voltaire2 May 2019 #13
If you say so. Girard442 May 2019 #15
Well it's a damn good thing you've figured out exactly what the bible means. trotsky May 2019 #22
And we see many such cherry picked arguments here. guillaumeb May 2019 #24
Yours is a mistaken assumption. Kind of Blue May 2019 #12
There are no "scriptural truths". All of the texts Voltaire2 May 2019 #9
Agreed but that's not the point of the OP. Kind of Blue May 2019 #14
I don't read the old testament often - just glance through it ocasionly. Too much killing and wars. demosincebirth May 2019 #16
Agreed, demosincebirth. Kind of Blue May 2019 #18
For every written truth... safeinOhio May 2019 #17
So true, safeinOhio. Kind of Blue May 2019 #19
Always point out the Red Letter Bible safeinOhio May 2019 #20
Exactly but I prefer Kind of Blue May 2019 #25
If God wants a say in our legislative process... Act_of_Reparation May 2019 #21
LOL... I hear you, Act_of_Reparation. Kind of Blue May 2019 #26
It'd be nice if all Christians could agree on one interpretation of the bible, yes. trotsky May 2019 #23
Why don't you address the OP? Kind of Blue May 2019 #27
I think their point is... uriel1972 May 2019 #28
Thanks, uriel1972. Safely ignored metaphors are Kind of Blue May 2019 #31
Who decides what's metaphor and what isn't? trotsky May 2019 #33
See Post 34. n/t Kind of Blue May 2019 #35
So everyone decides for themselves, right? trotsky May 2019 #37
Too true... uriel1972 May 2019 #38
"so how can we say with any confidence what it was supposed to have meant" trotsky May 2019 #39
Bingo. Act_of_Reparation May 2019 #40
In the OP, you claim to have a definitive interpretation of what the bible says. trotsky May 2019 #29
The point of the OP is that the Christian nationalist Kind of Blue May 2019 #30
"no scriptural or historical support" trotsky May 2019 #32
"Actually it's got quite a bit of both." Kind of Blue May 2019 #34
You want a cite? Fine. trotsky May 2019 #36
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