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MineralMan

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Fri May 17, 2019, 01:26 PM May 2019

Knowing I will be chided, I'm going to relate a personal anecdote: [View all]

During the time when I was transitioning from being a nice young Christian kid to an atheist, I was looking into many things regarding religion and belief. I was 18 years old, out of high school, and on my way to starting my first experiment with being a college student.

I had grown up in a traditional Presbyterian church, and had glommed onto its teachings early on, which were Calvinistic in nature, although not conservative Calvinistic. I had many conversations with the very patient pastor at my home church, asking difficult questions, which he did his best to answer. I had studied a lot about Presbyterian doctrine, which had led that church to offer to pay for four years at a theological college. I might have been a pretty good pastor, people apparently thought.

Well, one day, I asked a question that involved some differences between Presbyterianism and Roman Catholicism. My church's pastor admitted that he couldn't answer my question, since he wasn't completely familiar with that particular doctrine in Catholicism. So, he called a priest he knew who was the primary assistant to the local Catholic Bishop. Anyhow, he arranged for me to visit that priest so I could get the answers I was looking for.

I did visit him. He was an affable man in his mid-30s, with a good sense of humor, and was willing to tolerate an 18-year-old who was asking difficult questions. He dealt quickly with my question about transubstantiation and explained the Catholic doctrine to me in detail. Then, the conversation went in other directions, including my leaning toward not being able to believe any of the supernatural aspects of religion and my declining to attend a theological college. To my surprise, this priest who was a Bishop's assistant said, "That is not surprising, really. I stopped believing in that a few years ago, myself."

I asked how he managed to act as a priest without believing in the divine nature of Jesus and the other two entities of the Trinity. He said, "Well, I minister to my congregation in accordance to the teachings. It is not necessary for me to believe in the supernatural reality of God to do that. If those I minister to believe, that is enough for them. I assist them in their belief, which is enough for me."

I have thought about what that priest said to me many times. He saw his position not as a representative of some supernatural deity, but as a representative of those he served. He "assisted them in their belief." That was his accommodation to his atheism and he seemed quite content to act in that capacity.

That's my anecdote. Here is what I took from it:

That was OK for him, but it wasn't something I would ever be able to do. It helped confirm for me that I made the right decision in not accepting a full scholarship at a theological college. Given my state of near total disbelief at that time, clearly I would not have been acting honestly had I become a pastor. To this day, over 56 years later, I still wonder what accommodations one would have to make to be a priest who did not believe that any supernatural entities actually existed. I could never make such accommodations.

I continue to wonder how many priests and pastors out there might be doing the same thing that priest was doing - serving their flocks, but lacking a personal belief in deities. Few, I think, would admit such a thing. I suppose I caught that particular priest off-guard and in a mood that allowed him to share it with an 18-year-old who was questioning his own belief. Remarkable, really, I think.

The takeaway for me is that religion doesn't necessarily require actual belief in deities. Many have such belief. Others do not. Personally, I cannot follow a religion, because I don't believe that the initial premise that a deity exists is true. If the initial premise is not true, none of it is. I wonder at those who can manage that logical conflict.

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My thoughts then and now would mirror yours exactly, given the same situation (nt) mr_lebowski May 2019 #1
Thanks. It's pretty simple logic, I think. MineralMan May 2019 #6
Thanks for sharing. I suspect there are more than we realize, like the priest you described, SWBTATTReg May 2019 #2
Yes, there is hypocrisy in such pretending. MineralMan May 2019 #5
Televangelists. blueinredohio May 2019 #10
How fascinating, MM. 3catwoman3 May 2019 #3
It sounds like you have found a good place to be. MineralMan May 2019 #4
And a new musical adventure, as I now... 3catwoman3 May 2019 #15
Bonus! MineralMan May 2019 #16
That's not unheard of Major Nikon May 2019 #20
What a long strange trip its been. As for me I believe in G*d even more than ever ... marble falls May 2019 #7
One hopes you do not find yourself on a sidewalk in Bangladesh. MineralMan May 2019 #12
It takes all kinds, brother MM, it takes all kinds. marble falls May 2019 #14
My take as an agnostic Episcopalian wryter2000 May 2019 #8
Ah, yes, OK. I suppose there are many agnostics MineralMan May 2019 #13
Long after being raised as a conservative Lutheran... TreasonousBastard May 2019 #9
That's interesting. MineralMan May 2019 #11
I'm the same way Cartoonist May 2019 #17
That's not really the same, though. Mariana May 2019 #19
I see a major similarity Cartoonist May 2019 #22
You don't admonish them for their vices. Mariana May 2019 #23
Belief is a vice. nt Cartoonist May 2019 #24
I would say faith is a vice, not belief. Mariana May 2019 #25
Many priests do not admonish people who "sin." Sinners go to confession and are absolved. emmaverybo May 2019 #26
I would guess that the priest had convinced himself Mariana May 2019 #18
Could be, but the liturgy of the Mass MineralMan May 2019 #21
I'm curious why you thought you would be chided. N/T Foolacious May 2019 #27
It's a peculiar thing that happens in the Religion Group. MineralMan May 2019 #28
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