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Kaleva

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43. There may not have been any contemporaneous accounts of Jesus because he was deemed unimportant

Thu Apr 18, 2019, 08:34 PM

Apr 2019

He was supposedly poor, owning nothing but the clothes he wore.

There is the Paul the Apostle, who many historians believe was a real person, and who is widely accepted to have written at least 7 of the first books of the New Testament some 25 years after the death of Jesus. Paul names several of the disciples and gives 1st hand accounts on meeting several of them (Galatians 1-2).

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The evidence that Jesus ever existed is weaker than you might think [View all] Soph0571 Apr 2019 OP

I think people are asking the wrong question Kaleva Apr 2019 #1

Someone with a messianic claim performing miracles would have been noticed Major Nikon Apr 2019 #27

Being written down is no guarantee that it will not be lost to history Kaleva Apr 2019 #38

The examples you gave were not lost to history Major Nikon Apr 2019 #42

There may not have been any contemporaneous accounts of Jesus because he was deemed unimportant Kaleva Apr 2019 #43

Not sure where your supposed information comes from Major Nikon Apr 2019 #44

I used to think he didn't exist. James48 Apr 2019 #2

What changed your mind? PJMcK Apr 2019 #7

I know it's hard to believe but... James48 Apr 2019 #25

You say you were 42 and dumb. Mariana Apr 2019 #26

No, of course not. James48 Apr 2019 #30

I guess I don't understand the connection Mariana Apr 2019 #33

You are right it is hard to believe Major Nikon Apr 2019 #28

You'd think a historical event like the Massacre of the Innocents safeinOhio Apr 2019 #3

Why? Kaleva Apr 2019 #4

Many Christians don't believe stories in the Bible to be literal truth. pnwmom Apr 2019 #5

That literal bs Cartoonist Apr 2019 #9

The big question is HOW does a Christian determine Mariana Apr 2019 #35

Almost all christians believe that a person was executed and rose from the dead. Voltaire2 Apr 2019 #16

Do the wafer and wine at communion literally become Jesus' body and blood? trotsky Apr 2019 #19

Having it both ways creates a serious conflict. MineralMan Apr 2019 #20

I'm still waiting for independent verification of jesus's post bad-weekend zombies... NeoGreen Apr 2019 #10

You'd think someone else might have noticed that. trotsky Apr 2019 #11

And, apparently, it wasn't just any grandma, these were Saints!... NeoGreen Apr 2019 #13

seems to me there might be secondary evidence for something mopinko Apr 2019 #12

That Herod killed his own wife and three of his own sons, and quite a few other people as well, struggle4progress Apr 2019 #31

And not a stretch to think such a thing would likely be recorded. Mariana Apr 2019 #32

It is quite common in history for the powerful to kill the weak without consequence struggle4progress Apr 2019 #37

I didn't ask about consequence. Mariana Apr 2019 #39

Nobody bothers to remember what became of people they didn't care about struggle4progress Apr 2019 #41

you might think that the Judeans... uriel1972 Apr 2019 #49

The Christian gospels do not tell about wealthy powerful people but about the poor struggle4progress Apr 2019 #50

Hmmm... uriel1972 Apr 2019 #51

You and I see different problems. Where you worry whether the stories are exactly true, struggle4progress Apr 2019 #53

Ludlow Massacre struggle4progress Apr 2019 #45

Sand Creek Massacre struggle4progress Apr 2019 #46

Burial of body parts of children killed in Nazi experiments struggle4progress Apr 2019 #47

Rwanda: children during the Tutsi genocide struggle4progress Apr 2019 #48

You actually help make our point... NeoGreen Apr 2019 #34

Any credible independent records would have been preserved and known... TomVilmer Apr 2019 #6

Resurection is the most difficult part to accept. If you have trouble beliving in it, 3Hotdogs Apr 2019 #8

Good one! Bradshaw3 Apr 2019 #52

Faith. You must have faith, see? MineralMan Apr 2019 #14

On the other hand, a cannibal cult has been fantasizing about leftovers for 2000 years. Pope George Ringo II Apr 2019 #15

In the distant future PoindexterOglethorpe Apr 2019 #17

Hey, now. Obviously Batman and Superman are fictional. Pope George Ringo II Apr 2019 #18

LOL! PoindexterOglethorpe Apr 2019 #21

You'd be surprised at how many edhopper Apr 2019 #22

Oh, yes, and they won't listen to an explanation that they were not. MineralMan Apr 2019 #23

They all get edhopper Apr 2019 #24

"You are attacking my faith!" n/t trotsky Apr 2019 #36

More often they say Mariana Apr 2019 #40

I believe this is the foundation of jesus reincarnation WhiteTara Apr 2019 #29

Judeo-Christian myths are collections of oral history Major Nikon Apr 2019 #54