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In reply to the discussion: China is probably not a comfortable place to live [View all]trotsky
(49,533 posts)34. Then the old Soviet Union weaponized it, and it became whataboutism.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/style/whataboutism-what-about-it/2017/08/17/4d05ed36-82b4-11e7-b359-15a3617c767b_story.html
Contrary to what our resident Whataboutist has tried to claim, it doesn't necessarily have to change the subject, it's just a tool to throw in a separate issue to derail the discussion and prevent critical analysis.
For a nanosecond, especially to an uncritical listener, this stab at logic might seem interesting, even thought-provoking, and thats why its a useful political tool. Whataboutism appears to broaden context, to offer a counterpoint, when really its diverting blame, muddying the waters and confusing the hell out of rational listeners.
Not only does it help to deflect your original argument but it also throws you off balance, says Alexey Kovalev, an independent Russian journalist, on the phone from Moscow. Youre expecting to be in a civilized argument that doesnt use cheap tricks like that. You are playing chess and your opponent while making a lousy move he just punches you on the nose.
...Vladimir Putin has made a national sport of what-abouting. In 2014, when a journalist challenged him on his annexation of Crimea, Putin brought up the U.S. annexation of Texas. The American invasion of Iraq is constantly what-abouted on state television, to excuse all kinds of Russian behavior.
...An old joke 50 years ago was that if you went to a Stalinist and criticized the Soviet slave-labor camps, the Stalinist would say, Well what about the lynchings in the American South? philosopher Noam Chomsky once said.
Not only does it help to deflect your original argument but it also throws you off balance, says Alexey Kovalev, an independent Russian journalist, on the phone from Moscow. Youre expecting to be in a civilized argument that doesnt use cheap tricks like that. You are playing chess and your opponent while making a lousy move he just punches you on the nose.
...Vladimir Putin has made a national sport of what-abouting. In 2014, when a journalist challenged him on his annexation of Crimea, Putin brought up the U.S. annexation of Texas. The American invasion of Iraq is constantly what-abouted on state television, to excuse all kinds of Russian behavior.
...An old joke 50 years ago was that if you went to a Stalinist and criticized the Soviet slave-labor camps, the Stalinist would say, Well what about the lynchings in the American South? philosopher Noam Chomsky once said.
Contrary to what our resident Whataboutist has tried to claim, it doesn't necessarily have to change the subject, it's just a tool to throw in a separate issue to derail the discussion and prevent critical analysis.
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Rather telling why someone would think an epidemic of child rape needs a "counterpoint"
Major Nikon
Apr 2019
#29
So, when atheists here post about predator priests, what is their motivation?
guillaumeb
Apr 2019
#49
I impute that they want to discuss child abuse in a large, influential religious institution.
marylandblue
Apr 2019
#68
It looks as if the RCC's epidemic of child rape has been reduced to a "meme"
Major Nikon
Apr 2019
#30
No, the same argument cannot be made about priestly predation in other countries
marylandblue
Apr 2019
#36
You are being disingenuous, unless you are calling for a boycott of Chinese products.
marylandblue
Apr 2019
#38
You are being disingenuous again. If you cared about children as much as you cared about straw dogs
marylandblue
Apr 2019
#42
So the systematic repression of theists by the Chinese Government is NOT topical?
guillaumeb
Apr 2019
#51
Your comments about China, and your many suggestions that Chinese repression of theists
guillaumeb
Apr 2019
#58