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guillaumeb

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Tue Jan 15, 2019, 05:36 PM Jan 2019

Religion in the US. [View all]

Civil religion in America has no church, denominations, or institutional center, and it cannot be traced to a single origin story. And yet, it operates as a religion in ways familiar to Americans—it has priests and pastors, altars and sacrifices, symbols, institutions, and liturgies. So, what, then, is civil religion? The term originates with the 18th-century French philosopher Jean Jacques Rousseau (1712–1778), who proposed that the French nation needed a civil religion to replace the “unholy” alliance between the Catholic Church and the monarchy. Rousseau explained in book 4 of his Social Contract that he hoped a “purely civil profession of faith” would satisfy what he viewed as the popular need for something to believe in, to give one’s allegiance to, and even to give up one life’s for—a transcendent, unifying point of reference that existed beyond politics and in place of a denominational (most likely Christian) church. Thus, in philosophical terms, civil religion is the appropriation of religion for political ends. The American version of civil religion, though, differs from Rousseau’s idea by incorporating the nation’s Christian heritage more deeply into an understanding and judgment of America.


http://oxfordre.com/religion/view/10.1093/acrefore/9780199340378.001.0001/acrefore-9780199340378-e-441

Civil religion, also referred to as a civic religion,[1] is the implicit religious values of a nation, as expressed through public rituals, symbols (such as the national flag), and ceremonies on sacred days and at sacred places (such as monuments, battlefields, or national cemeteries). It is distinct from churches, although church officials and ceremonies are sometimes incorporated into the practice of civil religion.[2] Countries described as having a civil religion include France,[3] South Korea,[1] and the former Soviet Union.[4] As a concept, it originated in French political thought and became a major topic for U.S. sociologists since its use by Robert Bellah in 1960.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civil_religion

I have previously referred to the concept of civil religion. And the responses generally denied that any such argument could be made.

But as these articles explain, there is in fact a civil religion that is a part of patriotism, with all of the functions we generally associate with religion having a civic equivalant.
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Religion in the US. [View all] guillaumeb Jan 2019 OP
I think we do have a civic religion in the US, but marylandblue Jan 2019 #1
Agreed. guillaumeb Jan 2019 #3
More pro-religion propaganda. nt TwistOneUp Jan 2019 #2
Feel free to elaborate. eom guillaumeb Jan 2019 #4
No. nt TwistOneUp Jan 2019 #5
OK..nt guillaumeb Jan 2019 #6
You got it. trotsky Jan 2019 #27
Yes TwistOneUp Jan 2019 #30
Ok. So what? Voltaire2 Jan 2019 #7
Many use both types of "religion" as an excuse for what they want to do. guillaumeb Jan 2019 #10
How is this different than nationalism? Eko Jan 2019 #8
My view is that both "religions" are tools. guillaumeb Jan 2019 #11
No, Eko Jan 2019 #14
It is the same human impulse, guillaumeb Jan 2019 #16
It sounds like someone took the term nationalism Eko Jan 2019 #17
I think that the terms describe the same function and behavior. guillaumeb Jan 2019 #19
Well then, Eko Jan 2019 #20
Football is stylized war. guillaumeb Jan 2019 #21
Millions of people bought Brittany Spears albums Eko Jan 2019 #22
We needn't even go back that far The Genealogist Jan 2019 #23
Yup, Dumps a religion also. Good point. Eko Jan 2019 #24
That is a reflection of their musical sophistication. eom guillaumeb Jan 2019 #33
Well now, Eko Jan 2019 #36
I agree that it might be a best seller. guillaumeb Jan 2019 #37
Not sure where you were going with this. Eko Jan 2019 #25
It isn't. nt TwistOneUp Jan 2019 #31
Robert Bellah again? MineralMan Jan 2019 #9
What is your point? Who is denying the existence of such a thing? The Genealogist Jan 2019 #12
That religion in all of its forms is everpresent. guillaumeb Jan 2019 #13
Yes, social control being one of the purposes, and American civil religion is no different The Genealogist Jan 2019 #15
A certain former NFL quarterback comes to mind. eom guillaumeb Jan 2019 #18
Is-Ought Act_of_Reparation Jan 2019 #29
Yeah, religion does "serve a purpose" TwistOneUp Jan 2019 #32
What about the US tax code and separation of powers? erronis Jan 2019 #26
501(c)3 organizations have guidlelines. guillaumeb Jan 2019 #34
"responses generally denied that any such argument could be made" trotsky Jan 2019 #28
An easy one to answer: guillaumeb Jan 2019 #35
Nope, further proof that you are repeating falsehoods. trotsky Jan 2019 #38
What is your point, guy, in linking to my thread? MineralMan Jan 2019 #39
Why do you persist in your demonstrated behavior? guillaumeb Jan 2019 #40
Because I don't like you. trotsky Jan 2019 #41
You do not have to "like" me. guillaumeb Jan 2019 #42
"Actual dialogue" coming from you would be a genuine and welcome surprise. trotsky Jan 2019 #43
When you misframe, guillaumeb Jan 2019 #44
Now you're mixing up your threads. trotsky Jan 2019 #45
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