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trotsky

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22. It's not atheism, that we can know for sure.

Fri Jan 11, 2019, 12:35 PM

Jan 2019

There is no atheist bible that contains any verses about any of that.

There is nothing in the statement "I don't believe in gods" that says one should have an abortion or put others into camps or anything.

But there IS this in the Koran:

“Kill [the unbelievers] wherever you find them… And fight them until there is no more unbelief and worship is for Allah alone” (Quran 2:191-193).

Now you can argue that verse means something else, or it specific to a certain context, but the fact remains, it's still in the Koran. People might just choose to take it at face value. And who's to conclusively state they're wrong? NO ONE.

Same thing with the horrible commandments and teachings in the Christian bible. Taken at face value, they clearly not just motivate but COMMAND people to do horrific things.

People don't just "use" religion, they actively do bad things because religion ORDERS them.

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When someone flies a plane into a building, the motivation matters [View all] Major Nikon Jan 2019 OP

Religion is an excuse for bad behavior and has been for two thousand years at least. BigmanPigman Jan 2019 #1

And patriotism? Or the precursor, tribalism? guillaumeb Jan 2019 #3

Man can make excuses for bad behavior from just about anything. BigmanPigman Jan 2019 #4

True. guillaumeb Jan 2019 #5

So long as they get a pass for it there's not any reason to change Major Nikon Jan 2019 #7

It excuses - and therefore increases - bad behavior Bretton Garcia Jan 2019 #35

Recommended. guillaumeb Jan 2019 #2

This thread is about motivation Major Nikon Jan 2019 #6

What motivates the leaders of China? guillaumeb Jan 2019 #8

It certainly isn't religion Major Nikon Jan 2019 #9

What is it? guillaumeb Jan 2019 #10

Good questions all of them Major Nikon Jan 2019 #11

But we also need to remember that he sets rules for others that he exempts himself from. trotsky Jan 2019 #17

It's not as if that behavior is unknown to religionists Major Nikon Jan 2019 #18

I think that's all part of the delusion of thinking you are right MineralMan Jan 2019 #19

True, but that behavior isn't limited to just religionists Major Nikon Jan 2019 #20

Yep, the "holier than thou" class always gets special rules for themselves. trotsky Jan 2019 #21

Because some float the idea religious tolerance demands the acceptance of bad behavior Major Nikon Jan 2019 #23

Hell, I remember threads here about circumcision. trotsky Jan 2019 #28

Orwell called this phenomena 'doublethink' Major Nikon Jan 2019 #29

It's not atheism, that we can know for sure. trotsky Jan 2019 #22

And you are certain that you speak for all the members of the Chinese Government? guillaumeb Jan 2019 #25

In this case, yes. trotsky Jan 2019 #26

Telling was your response. guillaumeb Jan 2019 #32

Since you can't defend your point, you're going to grasp at anything. trotsky Jan 2019 #42

Why not? Atheism has no book of rules of behavior. MineralMan Jan 2019 #30

The motivation of Marxism was to fight bad religion, in part Bretton Garcia Jan 2019 #36

The motivation of the Chinese Government is to attack all rivals. guillaumeb Jan 2019 #37

Parly but not entirely true. Bretton Garcia Jan 2019 #38

I am biased against totalitarians. guillaumeb Jan 2019 #45

I know of no atheists who MineralMan Jan 2019 #39

#Whataboutism n/t trotsky Jan 2019 #14

With some obfuscation thrown in for good measure Major Nikon Jan 2019 #16

No, but I plead guilty to introducing some nuance. guillaumeb Jan 2019 #24

No, that's not nuance. trotsky Jan 2019 #27

Nuance is a wonderful thing. guillaumeb Jan 2019 #33

You call it nuance Major Nikon Jan 2019 #41

If you ever showed the ability to get it, that would be awesome. trotsky Jan 2019 #44

You have misspelled "nonsense." MineralMan Jan 2019 #31

The motivation we ascribe to them? Igel Jan 2019 #12

You can't always know what someone's motivation is Major Nikon Jan 2019 #13

Thank goodness you can read minds. trotsky Jan 2019 #15

Was your sarcastic remark true dialogue? guillaumeb Jan 2019 #34

LOL! MineralMan Jan 2019 #40

Ironic. guillaumeb Jan 2019 #46

You're one to judge. trotsky Jan 2019 #43