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AndyS

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Mon Oct 2, 2023, 03:39 PM Oct 2023

It's "Justa" . . . [View all]

Last edited Mon Oct 2, 2023, 04:49 PM - Edit history (1)

I'm not familiar with the Justa gun company but I hear about it a lot from gun rights activists. You know, it's Justa modern sporting rifle.

In the case of the Justa AR-15 it's also just the choice of mass shooters. Oh! The Gunner says, but pistols kill more people than rifles, in fact hammers are used as often as rifles! The same they say is true of mass shootings; only 30% of mass shootings are done with the Justa AR-15.

Well if you take into account all mass shootings going back to 1984 that's true. But when these shootings are examined by time line that's not the case. In the decade from 2010-2020 the Justa AR-15 was used in 34% of such shooting sprees. However in the years since 2020 that percentage rose to 59%. The Justa is now the defacto killing machine of choice.

Not only has the number of Justas increased but the leathality of the Justa is 2.7 times that of other weapons used in mass shootings.

There was a ban on Justas from 1994 to 2004 and amazingly the number of mass shootings fell by 37%, amazingly close to the percentage of shootings committed with Justas. Gunners will eagerly point out that the ban was ineffective because the exact same rifle was still available without the military pretties like flash suppressors and bayonet mounts. But still mass shootings decreased?



Hmmm, so why did mass shootings decrease? Could it be that the marketing of the Justa is aimed at military wannabes and when the ugly black gun was off the market they lost interest? Might it just be that the way gun makers market their Justas actually generate mass shootings? We don't know because research into gun violence has been forbidden for so long. Maybe in another decade there will be enough data to find out.

I don't want to ban Justas. I'd like to have them put under the 1934 NFA that governs machine guns. I'd be willing to forego the $200 stamp to own one, just undergo the same background check it takes to buy a machine gun and have it registered to the owner with the ATF. I wonder if it's the background check or the registration that makes Gunners all butt hurt?

All the hoopla aside, forget the 2nd and the gun grabbers. The Justa is a slightly degraded military grade weapon designed to a Pentagon RFQ to be used in warfare. The marketing of the Justa is concentrated on its military ancestry and the incredible leathality it has. The people who the advertising is designed to appeal to are exactly the people we don't want to have a Justa.

Que the gunners to say, "Mass shootings are only a tiny % of all shootings!" True but they are the only source of reasonably accurate data becaue the media reports it, not the CDC or FBI.

Information from the Gunviolence archive, Statistica.com and The Trace.

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It's "Justa" . . . [View all] AndyS Oct 2023 OP
Your timely and VERY accurate post now resides on the Greatest Page. CaliforniaPeggy Oct 2023 #1
What is the definition of "military grade"? TexasDem69 Oct 2023 #3
Military grade means it's suitable for only the military to use. NOT for civilian use.nt CaliforniaPeggy Oct 2023 #5
Thanks for the prompt response TexasDem69 Oct 2023 #6
Military uses TRUE assault rifles. yagotme Oct 2023 #22
I'd prefer to treat these semiautomatic weapons TexasDem69 Oct 2023 #2
Aw c'mon. Read the frickin' OP, AndyS Oct 2023 #8
So give me a link showing that semiautomatic rifles TexasDem69 Oct 2023 #9
Go do your own frickin' homework, I'm fed up with educating AndyS Oct 2023 #11
If you don't like discussing issues, then maybe a discussion forum isn't the place for you. Act_of_Reparation Oct 2023 #12
You didn't provide any support for your post TexasDem69 Oct 2023 #14
In the time we've crossed paths you have never given any support for AndyS Oct 2023 #17
Go back an re-read your source. It refers to active shooters, not mass shootings. AndyS Oct 2023 #18
Welcome back! TexasDem69 Oct 2023 #4
Opening that registry to allow in post '86 full-autos won't be popular. discntnt_irny_srcsm Oct 2023 #7
Just stop with the 'what if'. It is as I presented it. AndyS Oct 2023 #10
I need to go enjoy family life now. I'll get back to you. discntnt_irny_srcsm Oct 2023 #13
I didn't even know that full auto gunz TexasDem69 Oct 2023 #15
Then I suggest you educate yourself. You won't accept anything I give you anyway. nt AndyS Oct 2023 #16
Open the mouth and tilt the head back . . . AndyS Oct 2023 #19
I think you are thinking of the last instance of a legally acquired full-auto being used in a crime. discntnt_irny_srcsm Oct 2023 #20
Nice dodge. Not wasting time on that. n/t discntnt_irny_srcsm Oct 2023 #21
Considering AR-15 type rifles sales increased during the AWB hack89 Oct 2023 #23
Why did mass shooting decrease? nt AndyS Oct 2023 #24
For some other reason hack89 Oct 2023 #25
So I guess it comes down to how to define success. Is success decreasing mass shootings or AndyS Oct 2023 #26
But gun sales went up and deaths went down hack89 Oct 2023 #27
*Sigh* Someday I'll understand the gunner mentality but not soon. AndyS Oct 2023 #28
The point is the AWB didn't actually ban anything beyond minor cosmetic features hack89 Oct 2023 #29
Let try one more time. AndyS Oct 2023 #30
So you agree that more guns resulted in fewer deaths hack89 Oct 2023 #31
I did not misconstrue the Sandy Hook comment. It is a stock reply to any attempt AndyS Oct 2023 #32
Saving lives is great hack89 Oct 2023 #33
Simple question for you. hack89 Oct 2023 #34
I do not because keeping such records about guns is forbidden. AndyS Oct 2023 #35
I say the number was zero hack89 Oct 2023 #36
There's no data to support that or any other number. AndyS Oct 2023 #37
But the AWB allowed all existing owners of assault weapons to keep their weapons, correct? hack89 Oct 2023 #38
Yes it is. AndyS Oct 2023 #39
With no decrease in guns. So how could the AWB be responsible? hack89 Oct 2023 #40
I postulated a possible explanation but you seem to have missed it. AndyS Oct 2023 #41
I'll reply to you, as Andy has stated he's blocked me... yagotme Oct 2023 #43
Okay, for the sake of argument... discntnt_irny_srcsm Oct 2023 #42
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