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discntnt_irny_srcsm

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11. The 2 sides of my coin on the UBC issue
Thu Jun 16, 2016, 10:27 AM
Jun 2016
>>Pros: Individuals will have a means by which they can be assured the person to whom they transfer a gun is not prohibited. As things are I can favor allowing NICS access by private persons through a law enforcement office for a voluntary check. This would be a tool for a regular individual to be certain that the person to whom they transfer a gun isn't on the prohibited list.

Making this mandatory does two things that I consider problems.

First, if both persons are fine with breaking the law, making UBCs mandatory won't stop them. Making UBCs mandatory would point to developing a means for administratively enforcing that law. That would be registration.

Second, inane "crimes" have resulted in places where BGCs are mandatory for all transfers. Having to get a BGC to lend your brother a gun for an hour or 3 weeks is stupid. Having to get another on its return is even more stupid.


>>Cons: I don't see how UBCs will have a big impact on crime. As I said above, I don't see them as a big problem for the honest regular folks, if they're reasonable. Without a big picture game plan on the part of the pro-control folks which excludes things such as registration, bans, onerous transfer BGCs and the like, a mandatory UBC law smacks of incremental style control and is viewed as the edge of the slippery slope.


I'm okay with a watch list, no-fly list, list of active investigations, etc. being grounds for certain restrictions, IF the individual's presence on the list is subject to judicial appeal and scrutiny. If the status of an individual is seriously and sufficiently problematic and requires secrecy and the need to classified beyond that appeal and scrutiny, the individual should be arrested and charged or deported.

Secret lists of legal residents/citizens + denial of rights = evil.

If you want to investigate someone because of "reasonable suspicion", good, that's a valid use of law enforcement. If they need to make a list of those folks, fine. If the only purpose to the extra-judicial list is the restriction of certain rights, they should go pound sand.

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Cross post from GD [View all] Duckhunter935 Jun 2016 OP
Seatbelts do not prevent ALL motor vehicle deaths either... hlthe2b Jun 2016 #1
Never said all, please do not put words in my mouth Duckhunter935 Jun 2016 #2
It is a distinction without a difference... It is setting an impossible standard hlthe2b Jun 2016 #4
It is a large difference, words matter Duckhunter935 Jun 2016 #6
"Any" and "all" is a "distinction without a difference"? Straw Man Jun 2016 #14
The very King's English is an NRA TalkingPointŠ. Eleanors38 Jun 2016 #16
I should have known Duckhunter935 Jun 2016 #17
Don't expect much from them and you'll never be disappointed. DonP Jun 2016 #18
True nt Duckhunter935 Jun 2016 #19
It's hard to discuss without complete information. JonathanRackham Jun 2016 #3
Apparently not Orlando Duckhunter935 Jun 2016 #5
Hmmm?? JonathanRackham Jun 2016 #9
it would have, maybe, impacted the means gejohnston Jun 2016 #7
.... and when they do buy full autos from the local dealer ... DonP Jun 2016 #15
The whole point isn't preventing anything...it's to lead to a total ban. ileus Jun 2016 #8
I'm in agreement with your post... Puha Ekapi Jun 2016 #10
The 2 sides of my coin on the UBC issue discntnt_irny_srcsm Jun 2016 #11
what I have to say, this guy says it better gejohnston Jun 2016 #12
+ infinity discntnt_irny_srcsm Jun 2016 #13
Outstanding, Mr. Johnston. pablo_marmol Jun 2016 #21
Except for collection of guns, which will never happen, nothing will stop mass shooters. Nt Logical Jun 2016 #20
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