Gun Control & RKBA

DetlefK

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43. My bad. I had lost track of this thread.

Tue Oct 27, 2015, 04:05 PM

Oct 2015

To quote you: "What makes you think that any of those would be the primary or even secondary targets chosen by insurgents, in your hypothetical?"

Easy:
If people grab their guns and rise up against the authorities, FBI, DHS, military and so on would stop them. If the Second Amendment were a safeguard to give ordinary citizens the means to defend themselves against government-tyranny, it would only make sense if those means actually were capable of defeating the tyranny.

The people rise up in arms against the tyranny and FBI/DHS/military shoot them to scraps because from a legal point of view those freedom-fighters are criminals and terrorists. That's why the whole "violent-overthrow-of-the-tyranny-with-your-trusted-sidearm" scenario is a non-starter.

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Why "a free state" as opposed to "the state"? [View all] Nuclear Unicorn Oct 2015 OP

Defense against what? Human101948 Oct 2015 #1

I don't think the army of the crown wore jackboots in those days but if you're referring to Nuclear Unicorn Oct 2015 #3

Certainly they killed British officers and troops as members of a militia or army... Human101948 Oct 2015 #12

All of them. Nuclear Unicorn Oct 2015 #14

A unique reinterpretation of history... Human101948 Oct 2015 #17

Who formed the Continental Congress? Who appointed the officers? Nuclear Unicorn Oct 2015 #18

They were not self-appointed... Human101948 Oct 2015 #21

The colonies had no legal authority to appoint them. The colonies belonged to the Crown. Nuclear Unicorn Oct 2015 #22

It was not a group of unorganized individuals... Human101948 Oct 2015 #23

No, they were not unorganized. They were self-organized. Even anarchists do that. Nuclear Unicorn Oct 2015 #31

Know your history... sarisataka Oct 2015 #26

It is not applicable today upaloopa Oct 2015 #2

The idea of a free state has no place in the modern world? Nuclear Unicorn Oct 2015 #4

The idea of citizen-militias with rifles defending a 21st century First-World country. DetlefK Oct 2015 #6

You mean like Vietnam, Afghanistan or Cuba? DonP Oct 2015 #7

"...the right of the people to keep and bear explosives shall not be infringed." DetlefK Oct 2015 #9

Common misconception sarisataka Oct 2015 #10

Sounds like you have a problem with the first amendment too beardown Oct 2015 #13

And the purpose of the militia is to secure "a free state" -- not "the state." Hence the OP. Nuclear Unicorn Oct 2015 #15

The Swiss aren't prepping to wage war against their own country. DetlefK Oct 2015 #25

Well, it certainly wouldn't be worth it for their own government to wage war on them. Nuclear Unicorn Oct 2015 #29

In 1968 we used to see the red light on the horizon upaloopa Oct 2015 #32

I'm guessing the enemy was resoundingly defeated. Nuclear Unicorn Oct 2015 #33

And all that hardware is why we won against the little men with rifles, oh wait. DonP Oct 2015 #34

Do you think you could pacify 80+ million people with over 300 million weapons? Nuclear Unicorn Oct 2015 #8

It doesn't take violence for a tyrant to prevent a revolution. DetlefK Oct 2015 #11

Your every argument seems to depend on very lurid fantasies. Nuclear Unicorn Oct 2015 #16

How many Germans opposed Hitler? DetlefK Oct 2015 #19

So because the Germans abrogated their basic human decency that gives you the moral authority Nuclear Unicorn Oct 2015 #20

All I'm saying is that weapons don't guarantee freedom from tyranny. DetlefK Oct 2015 #24

"How likely is a tyranny to break out?" Nuclear Unicorn Oct 2015 #30

Gordian Knot complexity valuation beardown Oct 2015 #35

Many non-Germans did. Straw Man Oct 2015 #36

Tyrants discntnt_irny_srcsm Oct 2015 #28

On insurrection, etc.: Lizzie Poppet Oct 2015 #39

"Well, tell me how many militia-men and how many rifles it would take to take down the FBI..." beevul Oct 2015 #40

Oh, you're dreaming of a big, clear-cut revolution of good-vs-evil. DetlefK Oct 2015 #41

I'm dreaming? Its YOUR hypothetical. beevul Oct 2015 #42

My bad. I had lost track of this thread. DetlefK Oct 2015 #43

No problem. I appreciate you owning up to it. beevul Oct 2015 #45

But this would lead to new problems for the rebels: DetlefK Oct 2015 #46

Feel free to start a repeal movement, keep us posted on the progress DonP Oct 2015 #5

Were not sarisataka Oct 2015 #27

The Militia were STATE entities, long before the 2nd was authored, jmg257 Oct 2015 #37

I've read several of the opinions offered in your thread discntnt_irny_srcsm Oct 2015 #38

a Free State...a republican gov't. And how it is to remain so, via the Militias. jmg257 Oct 2015 #44