Gun Control & RKBA

Eleanors38

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9. The U.S. Constitution doesn't do "collective rights." Rights are individual.

Mon Oct 5, 2015, 02:49 PM

Oct 2015

The Civil War was fought over collective rights; i.e., "states' rights" as promoted by Southern slave states. That side lost.

It is curious how the context of the times entertains "military terms," yet is roundly ignored when the specific technology of "press" is employed.

The real question goes to the "militia clause" being the government's statement of reliance on an individual right, or rather the individual right is hugely modified by that clause. Most constitutional scholars, legal scholars and political scientists who have studied the Second answer with the former, and have so answered well before Heller and McDonald.

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The Second Amendment Is a Gun-Control Amendment [View all] eridani Oct 2015 OP

Almost EdwardBernays Oct 2015 #1

actually not, gejohnston Oct 2015 #6

a zeal to deceive jimmy the one Oct 2015 #13

I know exactly what I'm talking about gejohnston Oct 2015 #15

a blue link still needs explanation jimmy the one Oct 2015 #17

the reason I ignored the collective right gejohnston Oct 2015 #18

what kind of error was it jimmy the one Oct 2015 #20

stupid ol' supreme court jimmy the one Oct 2015 #19

printz and miller were both criminals gejohnston Oct 2015 #21

non responsive jimmy the one Oct 2015 #23

non responsive is gejohnston Oct 2015 #24

The U.S. Constitution doesn't do "collective rights." Rights are individual. Eleanors38 Oct 2015 #9

The right to life, liberty, and persuit of happiness is where firearm ownership comes from. ileus Oct 2015 #2

The "pursuit of happiness" does not necessarily equate with "happiness is a warm gun" Human101948 Oct 2015 #3

A right to life implies a right to self-defense discntnt_irny_srcsm Oct 2015 #4

It is the mode of self defense that is in dispute... Human101948 Oct 2015 #5

File with ATF... discntnt_irny_srcsm Oct 2015 #7

That's a negative, you're just wrong discntnt_irny_srcsm Oct 2015 #8

That paragraph essentially destroys interpretation out of context... beevul Oct 2015 #10

Absolutely!!! discntnt_irny_srcsm Oct 2015 #11

the invisible word - declaratory jimmy the one Oct 2015 #12

the Bill of Rights... discntnt_irny_srcsm Oct 2015 #14

declaratory & (govt) restrictive jimmy the one Oct 2015 #22

Of course it isn't, james. beevul Oct 2015 #16