Feminists

Lisa D

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226. I do listen to you, Sea.

Sat Feb 18, 2012, 03:12 PM

Feb 2012

And I have said that I feel badly about what's happened to you, redqueen, laconicsax, and Crispy Q. I don't agree with Neoma de-hosting you.

But when you say things that I know aren't the full story, I'm going to try to fill in some of the blanks because I believe in transparency. For instance, I was all for an election of new hosts until I found out that not all the votes were going to count. That's one instance of when I disagreed with you.

When you said, in H&M, that the software was the only reason Neoma was lead host, I countered that not only did redqueen, laconicsax and Neoma herself acknowledge that she would be lead host when redqueen stepped down, but that you endorsed Neoma as lead host. That is the simple truth and that's what I stated when I replied to you in that thread.

You are certainly entitled to your opinions, and although I may not agree with all of them, I respect them. All I ask from you is that same respect when I post (with links as evidence) the full story. You don't have to agree with me--far from it. But don't try to invalidate my opinion by saying I don't listen or that I don't understand what's been happening in this group. That is not fair.

I wish you all the best. Truly. And you may certainly put me on ignore if you have no wish to hear my opinions or read my posts.

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The Reason I Have Been Silent. [View all] Neoma Feb 2012 OP

By removing all cohosts, you have brazenly abused your power. laconicsax Feb 2012 #1

This has launched into insanity. PassingFair Feb 2012 #2

I subscribe to this forum, but have purposely followed this debacle in only a very superficial way.. hlthe2b Feb 2012 #3

Neoma recently PM'd me to say that she had admin approval for her actions. laconicsax Feb 2012 #4

If you have reason to doubt, I would urge you to PM Skinner directly. n/t hlthe2b Feb 2012 #10

Sir, keep in mind that admins do not sit in judge and jury on Ruby the Liberal Feb 2012 #23

And this host has circumvented the system boston bean Feb 2012 #65

This situation is femrap Feb 2012 #221

i do believe there was a male instigating it, yes. seabeyond Feb 2012 #222

Women have been speaking out Lisa D Feb 2012 #224

no. you dont understand lisad. not even a little. seabeyond Feb 2012 #225

I do listen to you, Sea. Lisa D Feb 2012 #226

you endorsed Neoma as lead host. That is the simple truth seabeyond Feb 2012 #227

Then let me clarify. Lisa D Feb 2012 #228

do YOU understand the lesson? iverglas was fuckin RIGHT in all her hard ass. seabeyond Feb 2012 #229

So being INclusive weakened the SOP? nt justiceischeap Feb 2012 #230

by having NO rules... is what weakened the SoP. every time we wanted a rule in it, we hear EXclusive seabeyond Feb 2012 #232

Perception is reality. Ruby the Liberal Feb 2012 #231

wtf are you talking about ruby. you dont know shit what went on. you admit seabeyond Feb 2012 #233

Leader doesn't look so weak to me. William769 Feb 2012 #234

Leader doesn't look so week to me. she has not been in there for 7 days, so a week seabeyond Feb 2012 #235

I don't understand. Lisa D Feb 2012 #236

you are right, the SoP doesnt matter because the lead host does not have to honor it anyway seabeyond Feb 2012 #238

You take care too, Sea. Lisa D Feb 2012 #240

This message was self-deleted by its author Lisa D Feb 2012 #239

Yes it is. Rex Feb 2012 #219

Thank you for removing bullies from positions of responsibility. LeftyMom Feb 2012 #5

How were redqueen, CrispyQ, seabeyond, or I bullies? laconicsax Feb 2012 #6

If I do one of you guys will immediately alert it as a call out. LeftyMom Feb 2012 #8

I give you my word that I won't alert. laconicsax Feb 2012 #11

You've all been trying to chase Neoma out of the forum for days. LeftyMom Feb 2012 #14

+1 bicentennial_baby Feb 2012 #15

+2 Starry Messenger Feb 2012 #17

+3. William769 Feb 2012 #19

+4 TeeYiYi Feb 2012 #21

+5. pacalo Feb 2012 #28

+6 Old and In the Way Feb 2012 #32

What a complete fabrication! laconicsax Feb 2012 #39

You do good work here, friend, but let this particular one rest. nt Ruby the Liberal Feb 2012 #45

Why should I? laconicsax Feb 2012 #50

Because you are on the wrong side of the attacks Ruby the Liberal Feb 2012 #57

me wants that for the entertainment value. seabeyond Feb 2012 #58

Again, I did no such thing. laconicsax Feb 2012 #60

Imagine that. rug Feb 2012 #168

But one of the hosts of this forum did do those things. Lisa D Feb 2012 #48

The solution to that was to remove the offending hosts or get them to resign. laconicsax Feb 2012 #52

I am very glad to hear that some of the hosts were aware of the problem. Lisa D Feb 2012 #55

Point of clarification. There is no "feud" between this group and LGBT. yardwork Feb 2012 #115

I agree. I misspoke when I mentioned the feud. n/t laconicsax Feb 2012 #206

Thank you for clarifying that. yardwork Feb 2012 #210

yes. you misspoke. it was one sided. attacking feminist forum. seabeyond Feb 2012 #214

+ a brazillion FloridaJudy Feb 2012 #169

+7 Jamastiene Feb 2012 #40

+8 CreekDog Feb 2012 #42

+9 UnrepentantLiberal Feb 2012 #61

+1 obamanut2012 Feb 2012 #80

Plus 1000. nt DURHAM D Feb 2012 #105

Oh well said. Well said, Ma'am! yardwork Feb 2012 #109

Expressing dissatisfaction with her as host != chasing her out of the forum. redqueen Feb 2012 #137

+ infinity Vanje Feb 2012 #161

+1 NCTraveler Feb 2012 #163

+1 Cameron27 Feb 2012 #166

+10 rug Feb 2012 #167

Dear sir, several of you publically and loudly called for a coup. Ruby the Liberal Feb 2012 #27

having an election is a coup. having no votes and declaring victory is honorable. this is the world seabeyond Feb 2012 #33

You all discussed it before redqueen stepped down William769 Feb 2012 #36

we had an election twice, and voted redqueen and that is a coup. she has NO votes seabeyond Feb 2012 #37

You didn't answer the question. Would you like the link? William769 Feb 2012 #38

UnrepentantLiberal Feb 2012 #62

You know, I just had an idea, I'm going to put that as my on hold music LOL snooper2 Feb 2012 #104

I am soooooo stealing that....nt msanthrope Feb 2012 #156

if you have the link, may i see it La Lioness Priyanka Feb 2012 #114

you said you were uncomfortable with the group. i made the suggestion so you and others seabeyond Feb 2012 #116

Just FYI, I like you just fine sea justiceischeap Feb 2012 #157

Here you go. William769 Feb 2012 #121

hmm, illuminating n/t maddezmom Feb 2012 #125

yes maddez.. it is. trying to work with people that said they wanted to be a part of our seabeyond Feb 2012 #126

The point is that you supported Neoma as lead host. It's right there. yardwork Feb 2012 #130

yes... the point is i was trying to make this an environment to welcome all. i get that. i failed seabeyond Feb 2012 #131

The point is that you have been saying that she was not elected, and that's not true. yardwork Feb 2012 #134

she was not elected. she was assigned. did you see votes from the forum? nt seabeyond Feb 2012 #135

When the keystone of an argument is proven to be invalid obamanut2012 Feb 2012 #148

this is not a tough one. a business hires an employee. some dont always turn out to be seabeyond Feb 2012 #133

I haven't seen that before obamanut2012 Feb 2012 #146

It's right here: yardwork Feb 2012 #151

Thanks for the info obamanut2012 Feb 2012 #155

2 weeks of toxic sludge, seabeyond. Ruby the Liberal Feb 2012 #46

i dont do dishonest.... it is not my thing ruby. nt seabeyond Feb 2012 #47

I still have that link if you want it. William769 Feb 2012 #49

UnrepentantLiberal Feb 2012 #63

Neoma abused her power as lead host. laconicsax Feb 2012 #41

I don't blame her. Ruby the Liberal Feb 2012 #51

+ 1 DURHAM D Feb 2012 #107

Please tell me how I was acting like I was 5 years old. redqueen Feb 2012 #138

I don't think you're acting like a 5 yr old justiceischeap Feb 2012 #158

Why the emotive language? ("tearing Neoma apart") redqueen Feb 2012 #160

+ 1 musette_sf Feb 2012 #170

This isn't right. Not what should be going on here. All of it pretty disappointing. patrice Feb 2012 #7

All, as in, I'm not singling anyone out. Everyone needs to do what it takes to get along. nt patrice Feb 2012 #13

+1. Gormy Cuss Feb 2012 #24

Thank you for this thoughtful and well-researched response. Starry Messenger Feb 2012 #9

Wow. The Doctor. Feb 2012 #12

OK, I may be male, but DonCoquixote Feb 2012 #16

She didn't slam gay people Remember Me Feb 2012 #123

You and I must have different definitions for slamming justiceischeap Feb 2012 #159

Yes, she did. Jamastiene Feb 2012 #204

Words of wisdom from a lovely lady. William769 Feb 2012 #18

WelcoMe to the dictatorship people! Violet_Crumble Feb 2012 #20

I thought we got past the "power grab" nonsense a few days ago. Ruby the Liberal Feb 2012 #29

Removing all other hosts and shutting down discussion on the matter isn't a power grab? laconicsax Feb 2012 #43

Unilaterally sacking every other host IS a power-grab... Violet_Crumble Feb 2012 #64

So you thought that was settled on Tuesday, did you? redqueen Feb 2012 #139

What, the "power grab" accusations? Ruby the Liberal Feb 2012 #162

Neoma, I have privately apologized to you for my past disrespectful comments to you, but please Ruby the Liberal Feb 2012 #22

"It's offensive to say that your opinions are invalid because you aren't a woman." mistertrickster Feb 2012 #25

Neoma, do you REALLY want to be a host of this group after all that's unfolded? pacalo Feb 2012 #26

If there ever was an argument for a host Ruby the Liberal Feb 2012 #30

I totally AGREE, Ruby. But why would she WANT it? pacalo Feb 2012 #35

I have no clue. Ruby the Liberal Feb 2012 #53

Hey, pac. I don't agree with you at all given her unilateral sacking of all other hosts today... Violet_Crumble Feb 2012 #66

But Neoma is understandably in the defensive mode at this point. pacalo Feb 2012 #181

+1000 !!! CreekDog Feb 2012 #205

Appalling. BlueIris Feb 2012 #31

Please define "abuse of power". Thanks! Ruby the Liberal Feb 2012 #34

Are you kidding? laconicsax Feb 2012 #44

Is this a joke? Ruby the Liberal Feb 2012 #54

You tell me. laconicsax Feb 2012 #56

+ infinity JTFrog Feb 2012 #150

+ 1 musette_sf Feb 2012 #171

She was invited to become a host by them. And she was made lead host by them. yardwork Feb 2012 #209

Agreed musette_sf Feb 2012 #194

Having observed all of this... ellisonz Feb 2012 #59

Another thing. The host you sacked who you called a 'she' is actually a 'he'.. Violet_Crumble Feb 2012 #67

Tell us why you felt the need to cirumvent your hosting duties boston bean Feb 2012 #68

As an outsider to this group, this OP very much impresses me quinnox Feb 2012 #69

Yes, the bit where she sacks the other hosts coz someone dared unpin her post is a highlight... Violet_Crumble Feb 2012 #70

things are in flux quinnox Feb 2012 #72

You think a lead host should just unilaterally remove co hosts? boston bean Feb 2012 #77

She is making the argument that she had no choice quinnox Feb 2012 #82

would that be when she refused to talk to any cohosts from saturday evening on? we would be the ones seabeyond Feb 2012 #85

That is something for Neoma to answer but quinnox Feb 2012 #92

we can create any story that we want as a supposition. saturday night she quit talking to us seabeyond Feb 2012 #93

As you know, they probably weren't "independent" decisions --just independent from you Remember Me Feb 2012 #124

true that. nt seabeyond Feb 2012 #129

you banned her from the host forum you set up CreekDog Feb 2012 #208

misrepresentation and fabrication impresses you? it is easy to make something look pretty seabeyond Feb 2012 #71

I understand why you might be peeved quinnox Feb 2012 #73

what part puts me in a bad light? that i quoted a post that said "you fucking bigots"? or seabeyond Feb 2012 #74

I think you may be taking this too personally quinnox Feb 2012 #75

this is my point. putting together a balanced and fair representation of facts does not matter. it seabeyond Feb 2012 #76

Neoma had votes too tammywammy Feb 2012 #79

mtnester, kdmorris, vanje have never made a post in this forum seabeyond Feb 2012 #81

So, their votes don't count? tammywammy Feb 2012 #83

why would people who do not participate in our forum, or are not members of our forum's seabeyond Feb 2012 #88

I can't believe you just said some votes wouldn't count. Lisa D Feb 2012 #91

lisa d, do we open up the vote to all people on du dscussion board for our group host? nt seabeyond Feb 2012 #94

Do the hosts have a list of subscribers to this group? Lisa D Feb 2012 #96

or, the voting happens and it is there to see. i dont have that info. but as many said, there is seabeyond Feb 2012 #98

The subscriber list swelled by 30 in one day with the ugly M&H thread Remember Me Feb 2012 #127

Every Group is open to all of DU obamanut2012 Feb 2012 #153

More than one member Lisa D Feb 2012 #86

I agree, who are the 'regular' members? tammywammy Feb 2012 #90

people who post in the gorup discussing feminist issues and people that have membership seabeyond Feb 2012 #95

Actually, no, it doesn't sound fair. Lisa D Feb 2012 #97

it is clear who participates in the forum. it would be EXclusive, something we avoid, having been seabeyond Feb 2012 #99

So who approves this voting list of non-member participants? Lisa D Feb 2012 #100

i havent participated in that and i have no desire to. i only speak to what i know. seabeyond Feb 2012 #101

Yes, thank you. Lisa D Feb 2012 #112

good questions since it's been said numerous times by different people here maddezmom Feb 2012 #102

again, i think it is pretty simple to see if a person participates in the feminsit discussion in seabeyond Feb 2012 #103

It's apparently not tammywammy Feb 2012 #108

Just so I'm clear justiceischeap Feb 2012 #113

go ahead and put it out there then. What is the criteria? maddezmom Feb 2012 #117

+1 n/t RobertBlue Feb 2012 #177

Cool. UnrepentantLiberal Feb 2012 #149

Sounds like the phrase "regular women" that has also been tossed around this forum lately. yardwork Feb 2012 #122

No, it doesn't. redqueen Feb 2012 #141

I was dragged into this nonsense by the disruption that spread from here to other parts of DU. yardwork Feb 2012 #144

You're talking about one person. redqueen Feb 2012 #147

yeah, someone came and held a gun to your head and MADE you come post, uh huh Scout Feb 2012 #154

No on using the subscriber list Remember Me Feb 2012 #128

Actually, the suggestion was to have Lisa D Feb 2012 #152

We were not allowed to participate in DU2 without a star kdmorris Feb 2012 #143

As the OP was an outsider to the Feminists group on the old DU, musette_sf Feb 2012 #174

I notice once again this host is MIA and unaccountable to the group members. boston bean Feb 2012 #78

She said she was going to bed in the OP tammywammy Feb 2012 #84

ah yes, but this is habit we got going on here. boston bean Feb 2012 #87

So you didn't even read the whole OP? snooper2 Feb 2012 #111

yes. and i was up until 3 in the morning dealing with this. seabeyond Feb 2012 #89

Hosts aren't employees. They aren't required to punch a time clock. yardwork Feb 2012 #136

If she doesn't have the time to even speak with the members boston bean Feb 2012 #142

You go girl! yardwork Feb 2012 #106

Please remove me as co-host. CrispyQ Feb 2012 #110

don't worry, you were already removed. n/t Scout Feb 2012 #120

This is leadership. DURHAM D Feb 2012 #118

YOU have made this forum suck. You need to resign based on your own misconduct. Scout Feb 2012 #119

+ 1 K musette_sf Feb 2012 #192

My response: redqueen Feb 2012 #132

+ One Million!!!! musette_sf Feb 2012 #190

This is ugly Kellerfeller Feb 2012 #140

Unsubscribed. JTFrog Feb 2012 #145

Neoma: re: Skinner's statement on responsibilities of a Forum or Group host... hlthe2b Feb 2012 #164

+ 1 musette_sf Feb 2012 #172

OK, Keep the Right wing happy DonCoquixote Feb 2012 #165

I thnk it's completely unfair and unkind to equate this action with being right wing CreekDog Feb 2012 #176

Read what I said DonCoquixote Feb 2012 #211

You just argued that you didn't say she was right wing and then... CreekDog Feb 2012 #212

if you act like one DonCoquixote Feb 2012 #213

YOU seem to be working to make this group NOT FUN. musette_sf Feb 2012 #173

Well, I have never heard of you... DURHAM D Feb 2012 #175

since you only posted twice to the Feminists group on DU1, musette_sf Feb 2012 #178

You may have missed it. yardwork Feb 2012 #179

Like Wisconsin is "under new leadership", it seems like to me. musette_sf Feb 2012 #182

You had to be a donor to post in groups on DU2 tammywammy Feb 2012 #193

Nobody's orchestrating anything. The previous hosts of this group made Neoma the lead host. yardwork Feb 2012 #197

can I ask if calling the action a Republican style action is the meme of the day? CreekDog Feb 2012 #199

Ok - you are really in on the know. I'll bite - DURHAM D Feb 2012 #184

...... musette_sf Feb 2012 #185

LOL DURHAM D Feb 2012 #186

What is wrong with it? musette_sf Feb 2012 #187

Nor me obamanut2012 Feb 2012 #180

And you never posted on DU1 at all, musette_sf Feb 2012 #183

It appears that poster didn't join DU until 2011 Lisa D Feb 2012 #198

You never posted on DU1 either. Shining Jack Feb 2012 #200

I promise to as soon as I build a time machine obamanut2012 Feb 2012 #201

I'm just curious how this is a power grab for obamanut2012 justiceischeap Feb 2012 #207

I think you will need to pee on a stick before DURHAM D Feb 2012 #188

Excuse me? musette_sf Feb 2012 #189

Lets make a long story short. William769 Feb 2012 #191

Doesn't look that way to me. musette_sf Feb 2012 #195

Oy vey. William769 Feb 2012 #196

Every time you put Neoma in scare quotes obamanut2012 Feb 2012 #202

You are correct Tumbulu Feb 2012 #217

If I may ask you this DonCoquixote Feb 2012 #215

I have to ask. Why do some equate hosts with "leadership"? sufrommich Feb 2012 #203

I am out of the loop in all the happenings here Whisp Feb 2012 #216

I do not approve of your decisions or tactics used as stated in your post Tumbulu Feb 2012 #218

There was an election underway when this was posted. laconicsax Feb 2012 #220

Unfortunately, that election Lisa D Feb 2012 #223

Rigged? If you say so. laconicsax Feb 2012 #237

I think we agree more than we disagree. Lisa D Feb 2012 #243

I agree completely. laconicsax Feb 2012 #244

well then have another one if you think that was the case- Tumbulu Feb 2012 #241

Discussing elections is off-limits. laconicsax Feb 2012 #242