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115. Point of clarification. There is no "feud" between this group and LGBT.

Thu Feb 16, 2012, 10:15 AM

Feb 2012

There was an obvious, sustained, concerted effort on the part of a small number of people in this forum to create a feud, not just with LGBT, but with several other groups on DU as well. That's where I came in. I've avoided this group for years precisely because I disliked the dictatorial manner in which it was run and the snooty attitude of its self-appointed leader. I got dragged in when these recent efforts to start a "war" (her words) with LGBT spilled into the Meta forum.

I'm relieved to see that a strong leader is taking control and putting a stop to this pettiness. I don't blame you for anything, laconicsax. As far as I can tell you have stayed out of this mess, and I respect you for that. But don't refer to a "building feud" between two groups when no such feud exists. Let's stop that nonsense once and for all.

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The Reason I Have Been Silent. [View all] Neoma Feb 2012 OP

By removing all cohosts, you have brazenly abused your power. laconicsax Feb 2012 #1

This has launched into insanity. PassingFair Feb 2012 #2

I subscribe to this forum, but have purposely followed this debacle in only a very superficial way.. hlthe2b Feb 2012 #3

Neoma recently PM'd me to say that she had admin approval for her actions. laconicsax Feb 2012 #4

If you have reason to doubt, I would urge you to PM Skinner directly. n/t hlthe2b Feb 2012 #10

Sir, keep in mind that admins do not sit in judge and jury on Ruby the Liberal Feb 2012 #23

And this host has circumvented the system boston bean Feb 2012 #65

This situation is femrap Feb 2012 #221

i do believe there was a male instigating it, yes. seabeyond Feb 2012 #222

Women have been speaking out Lisa D Feb 2012 #224

no. you dont understand lisad. not even a little. seabeyond Feb 2012 #225

I do listen to you, Sea. Lisa D Feb 2012 #226

you endorsed Neoma as lead host. That is the simple truth seabeyond Feb 2012 #227

Then let me clarify. Lisa D Feb 2012 #228

do YOU understand the lesson? iverglas was fuckin RIGHT in all her hard ass. seabeyond Feb 2012 #229

So being INclusive weakened the SOP? nt justiceischeap Feb 2012 #230

by having NO rules... is what weakened the SoP. every time we wanted a rule in it, we hear EXclusive seabeyond Feb 2012 #232

Perception is reality. Ruby the Liberal Feb 2012 #231

wtf are you talking about ruby. you dont know shit what went on. you admit seabeyond Feb 2012 #233

Leader doesn't look so weak to me. William769 Feb 2012 #234

Leader doesn't look so week to me. she has not been in there for 7 days, so a week seabeyond Feb 2012 #235

I don't understand. Lisa D Feb 2012 #236

you are right, the SoP doesnt matter because the lead host does not have to honor it anyway seabeyond Feb 2012 #238

You take care too, Sea. Lisa D Feb 2012 #240

This message was self-deleted by its author Lisa D Feb 2012 #239

Yes it is. Rex Feb 2012 #219

Thank you for removing bullies from positions of responsibility. LeftyMom Feb 2012 #5

How were redqueen, CrispyQ, seabeyond, or I bullies? laconicsax Feb 2012 #6

If I do one of you guys will immediately alert it as a call out. LeftyMom Feb 2012 #8

I give you my word that I won't alert. laconicsax Feb 2012 #11

You've all been trying to chase Neoma out of the forum for days. LeftyMom Feb 2012 #14

+1 bicentennial_baby Feb 2012 #15

+2 Starry Messenger Feb 2012 #17

+3. William769 Feb 2012 #19

+4 TeeYiYi Feb 2012 #21

+5. pacalo Feb 2012 #28

+6 Old and In the Way Feb 2012 #32

What a complete fabrication! laconicsax Feb 2012 #39

You do good work here, friend, but let this particular one rest. nt Ruby the Liberal Feb 2012 #45

Why should I? laconicsax Feb 2012 #50

Because you are on the wrong side of the attacks Ruby the Liberal Feb 2012 #57

me wants that for the entertainment value. seabeyond Feb 2012 #58

Again, I did no such thing. laconicsax Feb 2012 #60

Imagine that. rug Feb 2012 #168

But one of the hosts of this forum did do those things. Lisa D Feb 2012 #48

The solution to that was to remove the offending hosts or get them to resign. laconicsax Feb 2012 #52

I am very glad to hear that some of the hosts were aware of the problem. Lisa D Feb 2012 #55

Point of clarification. There is no "feud" between this group and LGBT. yardwork Feb 2012 #115

I agree. I misspoke when I mentioned the feud. n/t laconicsax Feb 2012 #206

Thank you for clarifying that. yardwork Feb 2012 #210

yes. you misspoke. it was one sided. attacking feminist forum. seabeyond Feb 2012 #214

+ a brazillion FloridaJudy Feb 2012 #169

+7 Jamastiene Feb 2012 #40

+8 CreekDog Feb 2012 #42

+9 UnrepentantLiberal Feb 2012 #61

+1 obamanut2012 Feb 2012 #80

Plus 1000. nt DURHAM D Feb 2012 #105

Oh well said. Well said, Ma'am! yardwork Feb 2012 #109

Expressing dissatisfaction with her as host != chasing her out of the forum. redqueen Feb 2012 #137

+ infinity Vanje Feb 2012 #161

+1 NCTraveler Feb 2012 #163

+1 Cameron27 Feb 2012 #166

+10 rug Feb 2012 #167

Dear sir, several of you publically and loudly called for a coup. Ruby the Liberal Feb 2012 #27

having an election is a coup. having no votes and declaring victory is honorable. this is the world seabeyond Feb 2012 #33

You all discussed it before redqueen stepped down William769 Feb 2012 #36

we had an election twice, and voted redqueen and that is a coup. she has NO votes seabeyond Feb 2012 #37

You didn't answer the question. Would you like the link? William769 Feb 2012 #38

UnrepentantLiberal Feb 2012 #62

You know, I just had an idea, I'm going to put that as my on hold music LOL snooper2 Feb 2012 #104

I am soooooo stealing that....nt msanthrope Feb 2012 #156

if you have the link, may i see it La Lioness Priyanka Feb 2012 #114

you said you were uncomfortable with the group. i made the suggestion so you and others seabeyond Feb 2012 #116

Just FYI, I like you just fine sea justiceischeap Feb 2012 #157

Here you go. William769 Feb 2012 #121

hmm, illuminating n/t maddezmom Feb 2012 #125

yes maddez.. it is. trying to work with people that said they wanted to be a part of our seabeyond Feb 2012 #126

The point is that you supported Neoma as lead host. It's right there. yardwork Feb 2012 #130

yes... the point is i was trying to make this an environment to welcome all. i get that. i failed seabeyond Feb 2012 #131

The point is that you have been saying that she was not elected, and that's not true. yardwork Feb 2012 #134

she was not elected. she was assigned. did you see votes from the forum? nt seabeyond Feb 2012 #135

When the keystone of an argument is proven to be invalid obamanut2012 Feb 2012 #148

this is not a tough one. a business hires an employee. some dont always turn out to be seabeyond Feb 2012 #133

I haven't seen that before obamanut2012 Feb 2012 #146

It's right here: yardwork Feb 2012 #151

Thanks for the info obamanut2012 Feb 2012 #155

2 weeks of toxic sludge, seabeyond. Ruby the Liberal Feb 2012 #46

i dont do dishonest.... it is not my thing ruby. nt seabeyond Feb 2012 #47

I still have that link if you want it. William769 Feb 2012 #49

UnrepentantLiberal Feb 2012 #63

Neoma abused her power as lead host. laconicsax Feb 2012 #41

I don't blame her. Ruby the Liberal Feb 2012 #51

+ 1 DURHAM D Feb 2012 #107

Please tell me how I was acting like I was 5 years old. redqueen Feb 2012 #138

I don't think you're acting like a 5 yr old justiceischeap Feb 2012 #158

Why the emotive language? ("tearing Neoma apart") redqueen Feb 2012 #160

+ 1 musette_sf Feb 2012 #170

This isn't right. Not what should be going on here. All of it pretty disappointing. patrice Feb 2012 #7

All, as in, I'm not singling anyone out. Everyone needs to do what it takes to get along. nt patrice Feb 2012 #13

+1. Gormy Cuss Feb 2012 #24

Thank you for this thoughtful and well-researched response. Starry Messenger Feb 2012 #9

Wow. The Doctor. Feb 2012 #12

OK, I may be male, but DonCoquixote Feb 2012 #16

She didn't slam gay people Remember Me Feb 2012 #123

You and I must have different definitions for slamming justiceischeap Feb 2012 #159

Yes, she did. Jamastiene Feb 2012 #204

Words of wisdom from a lovely lady. William769 Feb 2012 #18

WelcoMe to the dictatorship people! Violet_Crumble Feb 2012 #20

I thought we got past the "power grab" nonsense a few days ago. Ruby the Liberal Feb 2012 #29

Removing all other hosts and shutting down discussion on the matter isn't a power grab? laconicsax Feb 2012 #43

Unilaterally sacking every other host IS a power-grab... Violet_Crumble Feb 2012 #64

So you thought that was settled on Tuesday, did you? redqueen Feb 2012 #139

What, the "power grab" accusations? Ruby the Liberal Feb 2012 #162

Neoma, I have privately apologized to you for my past disrespectful comments to you, but please Ruby the Liberal Feb 2012 #22

"It's offensive to say that your opinions are invalid because you aren't a woman." mistertrickster Feb 2012 #25

Neoma, do you REALLY want to be a host of this group after all that's unfolded? pacalo Feb 2012 #26

If there ever was an argument for a host Ruby the Liberal Feb 2012 #30

I totally AGREE, Ruby. But why would she WANT it? pacalo Feb 2012 #35

I have no clue. Ruby the Liberal Feb 2012 #53

Hey, pac. I don't agree with you at all given her unilateral sacking of all other hosts today... Violet_Crumble Feb 2012 #66

But Neoma is understandably in the defensive mode at this point. pacalo Feb 2012 #181

+1000 !!! CreekDog Feb 2012 #205

Appalling. BlueIris Feb 2012 #31

Please define "abuse of power". Thanks! Ruby the Liberal Feb 2012 #34

Are you kidding? laconicsax Feb 2012 #44

Is this a joke? Ruby the Liberal Feb 2012 #54

You tell me. laconicsax Feb 2012 #56

+ infinity JTFrog Feb 2012 #150

+ 1 musette_sf Feb 2012 #171

She was invited to become a host by them. And she was made lead host by them. yardwork Feb 2012 #209

Agreed musette_sf Feb 2012 #194

Having observed all of this... ellisonz Feb 2012 #59

Another thing. The host you sacked who you called a 'she' is actually a 'he'.. Violet_Crumble Feb 2012 #67

Tell us why you felt the need to cirumvent your hosting duties boston bean Feb 2012 #68

As an outsider to this group, this OP very much impresses me quinnox Feb 2012 #69

Yes, the bit where she sacks the other hosts coz someone dared unpin her post is a highlight... Violet_Crumble Feb 2012 #70

things are in flux quinnox Feb 2012 #72

You think a lead host should just unilaterally remove co hosts? boston bean Feb 2012 #77

She is making the argument that she had no choice quinnox Feb 2012 #82

would that be when she refused to talk to any cohosts from saturday evening on? we would be the ones seabeyond Feb 2012 #85

That is something for Neoma to answer but quinnox Feb 2012 #92

we can create any story that we want as a supposition. saturday night she quit talking to us seabeyond Feb 2012 #93

As you know, they probably weren't "independent" decisions --just independent from you Remember Me Feb 2012 #124

true that. nt seabeyond Feb 2012 #129

you banned her from the host forum you set up CreekDog Feb 2012 #208

misrepresentation and fabrication impresses you? it is easy to make something look pretty seabeyond Feb 2012 #71

I understand why you might be peeved quinnox Feb 2012 #73

what part puts me in a bad light? that i quoted a post that said "you fucking bigots"? or seabeyond Feb 2012 #74

I think you may be taking this too personally quinnox Feb 2012 #75

this is my point. putting together a balanced and fair representation of facts does not matter. it seabeyond Feb 2012 #76

Neoma had votes too tammywammy Feb 2012 #79

mtnester, kdmorris, vanje have never made a post in this forum seabeyond Feb 2012 #81

So, their votes don't count? tammywammy Feb 2012 #83

why would people who do not participate in our forum, or are not members of our forum's seabeyond Feb 2012 #88

I can't believe you just said some votes wouldn't count. Lisa D Feb 2012 #91

lisa d, do we open up the vote to all people on du dscussion board for our group host? nt seabeyond Feb 2012 #94

Do the hosts have a list of subscribers to this group? Lisa D Feb 2012 #96

or, the voting happens and it is there to see. i dont have that info. but as many said, there is seabeyond Feb 2012 #98

The subscriber list swelled by 30 in one day with the ugly M&H thread Remember Me Feb 2012 #127

Every Group is open to all of DU obamanut2012 Feb 2012 #153

More than one member Lisa D Feb 2012 #86

I agree, who are the 'regular' members? tammywammy Feb 2012 #90

people who post in the gorup discussing feminist issues and people that have membership seabeyond Feb 2012 #95

Actually, no, it doesn't sound fair. Lisa D Feb 2012 #97

it is clear who participates in the forum. it would be EXclusive, something we avoid, having been seabeyond Feb 2012 #99

So who approves this voting list of non-member participants? Lisa D Feb 2012 #100

i havent participated in that and i have no desire to. i only speak to what i know. seabeyond Feb 2012 #101

Yes, thank you. Lisa D Feb 2012 #112

good questions since it's been said numerous times by different people here maddezmom Feb 2012 #102

again, i think it is pretty simple to see if a person participates in the feminsit discussion in seabeyond Feb 2012 #103

It's apparently not tammywammy Feb 2012 #108

Just so I'm clear justiceischeap Feb 2012 #113

go ahead and put it out there then. What is the criteria? maddezmom Feb 2012 #117

+1 n/t RobertBlue Feb 2012 #177

Cool. UnrepentantLiberal Feb 2012 #149

Sounds like the phrase "regular women" that has also been tossed around this forum lately. yardwork Feb 2012 #122

No, it doesn't. redqueen Feb 2012 #141

I was dragged into this nonsense by the disruption that spread from here to other parts of DU. yardwork Feb 2012 #144

You're talking about one person. redqueen Feb 2012 #147

yeah, someone came and held a gun to your head and MADE you come post, uh huh Scout Feb 2012 #154

No on using the subscriber list Remember Me Feb 2012 #128

Actually, the suggestion was to have Lisa D Feb 2012 #152

We were not allowed to participate in DU2 without a star kdmorris Feb 2012 #143

As the OP was an outsider to the Feminists group on the old DU, musette_sf Feb 2012 #174

I notice once again this host is MIA and unaccountable to the group members. boston bean Feb 2012 #78

She said she was going to bed in the OP tammywammy Feb 2012 #84

ah yes, but this is habit we got going on here. boston bean Feb 2012 #87

So you didn't even read the whole OP? snooper2 Feb 2012 #111

yes. and i was up until 3 in the morning dealing with this. seabeyond Feb 2012 #89

Hosts aren't employees. They aren't required to punch a time clock. yardwork Feb 2012 #136

If she doesn't have the time to even speak with the members boston bean Feb 2012 #142

You go girl! yardwork Feb 2012 #106

Please remove me as co-host. CrispyQ Feb 2012 #110

don't worry, you were already removed. n/t Scout Feb 2012 #120

This is leadership. DURHAM D Feb 2012 #118

YOU have made this forum suck. You need to resign based on your own misconduct. Scout Feb 2012 #119

+ 1 K musette_sf Feb 2012 #192

My response: redqueen Feb 2012 #132

+ One Million!!!! musette_sf Feb 2012 #190

This is ugly Kellerfeller Feb 2012 #140

Unsubscribed. JTFrog Feb 2012 #145

Neoma: re: Skinner's statement on responsibilities of a Forum or Group host... hlthe2b Feb 2012 #164

+ 1 musette_sf Feb 2012 #172

OK, Keep the Right wing happy DonCoquixote Feb 2012 #165

I thnk it's completely unfair and unkind to equate this action with being right wing CreekDog Feb 2012 #176

Read what I said DonCoquixote Feb 2012 #211

You just argued that you didn't say she was right wing and then... CreekDog Feb 2012 #212

if you act like one DonCoquixote Feb 2012 #213

YOU seem to be working to make this group NOT FUN. musette_sf Feb 2012 #173

Well, I have never heard of you... DURHAM D Feb 2012 #175

since you only posted twice to the Feminists group on DU1, musette_sf Feb 2012 #178

You may have missed it. yardwork Feb 2012 #179

Like Wisconsin is "under new leadership", it seems like to me. musette_sf Feb 2012 #182

You had to be a donor to post in groups on DU2 tammywammy Feb 2012 #193

Nobody's orchestrating anything. The previous hosts of this group made Neoma the lead host. yardwork Feb 2012 #197

can I ask if calling the action a Republican style action is the meme of the day? CreekDog Feb 2012 #199

Ok - you are really in on the know. I'll bite - DURHAM D Feb 2012 #184

...... musette_sf Feb 2012 #185

LOL DURHAM D Feb 2012 #186

What is wrong with it? musette_sf Feb 2012 #187

Nor me obamanut2012 Feb 2012 #180

And you never posted on DU1 at all, musette_sf Feb 2012 #183

It appears that poster didn't join DU until 2011 Lisa D Feb 2012 #198

You never posted on DU1 either. Shining Jack Feb 2012 #200

I promise to as soon as I build a time machine obamanut2012 Feb 2012 #201

I'm just curious how this is a power grab for obamanut2012 justiceischeap Feb 2012 #207

I think you will need to pee on a stick before DURHAM D Feb 2012 #188

Excuse me? musette_sf Feb 2012 #189

Lets make a long story short. William769 Feb 2012 #191

Doesn't look that way to me. musette_sf Feb 2012 #195

Oy vey. William769 Feb 2012 #196

Every time you put Neoma in scare quotes obamanut2012 Feb 2012 #202

You are correct Tumbulu Feb 2012 #217

If I may ask you this DonCoquixote Feb 2012 #215

I have to ask. Why do some equate hosts with "leadership"? sufrommich Feb 2012 #203

I am out of the loop in all the happenings here Whisp Feb 2012 #216

I do not approve of your decisions or tactics used as stated in your post Tumbulu Feb 2012 #218

There was an election underway when this was posted. laconicsax Feb 2012 #220

Unfortunately, that election Lisa D Feb 2012 #223

Rigged? If you say so. laconicsax Feb 2012 #237

I think we agree more than we disagree. Lisa D Feb 2012 #243

I agree completely. laconicsax Feb 2012 #244

well then have another one if you think that was the case- Tumbulu Feb 2012 #241

Discussing elections is off-limits. laconicsax Feb 2012 #242