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Hugh_Lebowski

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16. "Using inclusive language like "those who have given birth" achieves that.
Sun Jul 9, 2023, 07:01 AM
Jul 2023

It in no way diminishes the cis women who give birth"

You can say that, and I being cis-male can easily say 'Yup, I agree'.

But at the same time ... what if some cis-women don't?

What if their true feeling is that they don't like being referred to as a 'birthing person' or 'person with a uterus'? What if they are hurt or offended and don't like being defined by their reproductive abilities, and/or simply prefer terms like woman and mother?

I might logically surmise that some women will feel slighted, like trans folks are taking something special away from them, even though they are otherwise supportive. I imagine a scenario where an expecting person might visit a bookstore maternity/child-rearing section and find that every book there has a name like 'A Guide For Pregnant Persons', and every reference in that entire book uses terms like that, and 'birthing person', etc. There's going to be a lot of women hostile to a change of that sort.

I say things like this out of caring, I want y'all to succeed and get all the rights and acceptance that are due to you, it's just there's occasionally things that you're asking for right now that I just sense are going to make it more difficult for you, that I think might go over better a little later down the line. Asking the world, essentially, to stop saying 'mother' and use 'birthing person' from now on in all generalized cases (i.e. we don't know which term a person prefers) ... it's a big ask and risks a backlash is all I'm saying.

When I look back on how far gay rights have come in my lifetime, I get a strong sense that the support in general of cis straight women, played a big role in that process. Acceptance of gay rights always polled higher in their group than it ever did with cis straight males, and I'm sure still that's still the case. It's a factor that's at least worth considering IMHO

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Nothing bothers me more than when people on the left sell us out LostOne4Ever Jul 2023 #1
And it gets worse LostOne4Ever Jul 2023 #2
They're stupid & cruel to do that.. I've Cha Jul 2023 #3
They have been bigots for A LONG time. Behind the Aegis Jul 2023 #4
Sadly lot of my "liberal" FB friends still trust them LostOne4Ever Jul 2023 #5
So I just have to ask ... which is the official, appropriately Political Correct nomenclature? Hugh_Lebowski Jul 2023 #6
Not all mothers are women LostOne4Ever Jul 2023 #7
My phrasing? Hugh_Lebowski Jul 2023 #10
Where in the article does it say anything about "political correctness?" LostOne4Ever Jul 2023 #12
I don't disagree with too much of what you're saying Hugh_Lebowski Jul 2023 #13
If they identify as mothers then that is what they are LostOne4Ever Jul 2023 #14
"Using inclusive language like "those who have given birth" achieves that. Hugh_Lebowski Jul 2023 #16
The majority of Cis Women agree LostOne4Ever Jul 2023 #17
I'm not going to sit and argue endlessly with you ... you're dead set on this gambit Hugh_Lebowski Jul 2023 #18
All of those things came about from activists pushing LostOne4Ever Jul 2023 #19
I'm familiar with the Letter, and I understand the point Hugh_Lebowski Jul 2023 #20
Also trans women can adopt or make babies via sperm vercetti2021 Jul 2023 #8
I understand, and I hope you are someday :) (nt) Hugh_Lebowski Jul 2023 #11
I stopped paying attention to the young turks, Cenk and Kasparian a very long time ago LetMyPeopleVote Jul 2023 #9
Here are some good reasons to ignore Cenk and the Young turks LetMyPeopleVote Jul 2023 #15
Thank you for getting this message out. lapucelle Jul 2023 #21
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