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LostOne4Ever

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14. If they identify as mothers then that is what they are
Sat Jul 8, 2023, 10:52 PM
Jul 2023

There are many trans women who identify as dads. Mae Dean, a trans woman and comic strip creator, said this:












That said, Vercetti says she looks forward to being a “mom.” It varies and when in doubt…just ask the person!

Because, like it or not, 'mother' implies 'female'. Why is he not a 'father'? Do you not see the dichotomy of this situation?


And pushing back on THAT is the point. Again, trans men give birth. Many of them (probably most of them) do not identify as mothers. But they still are pregnant and give birth. Using inclusive language like “those who have given birth” achieves that. It in no way diminishes the cis women who give birth. It includes them as well as anyone else who may need to deliver a child.

Proper language tends to be more convoluted. A waiter telling guests “Ladies and Gentlemen, if you will all follow me I shal escort you to your dining table” is way more convoluted than “Howdy y’all, follow me to your seats!”* People will use both in real life depending on the situation.


Mother implies a woman to the VAST majority of humankind. You cannot expect that to change because you assert, for the first time in history, that a man can also be a mother.


It’s not the first time in history. There have been trans parents as long as there has been trans people (and we’ve existed since pre-history). And yes, society can change. It has before and it will again. Our language was very sexist at one time and feminist activists changed that. Flight attendant despite being more convoluted replaced Stewardess. Here are other examples:

https://ualr.edu/writingcenter/avoid-sexist-language/

So long as we have and use these exclusionary terms there will be an almost subliminal bias against trans people. But just like how our culture changed because of feminist insisting on non-sexist language we can change it by using these terms.


*Sorry for the slang but I’m from Texas! That is how we talk…sometimes

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Nothing bothers me more than when people on the left sell us out LostOne4Ever Jul 2023 #1
And it gets worse LostOne4Ever Jul 2023 #2
They're stupid & cruel to do that.. I've Cha Jul 2023 #3
They have been bigots for A LONG time. Behind the Aegis Jul 2023 #4
Sadly lot of my "liberal" FB friends still trust them LostOne4Ever Jul 2023 #5
So I just have to ask ... which is the official, appropriately Political Correct nomenclature? Hugh_Lebowski Jul 2023 #6
Not all mothers are women LostOne4Ever Jul 2023 #7
My phrasing? Hugh_Lebowski Jul 2023 #10
Where in the article does it say anything about "political correctness?" LostOne4Ever Jul 2023 #12
I don't disagree with too much of what you're saying Hugh_Lebowski Jul 2023 #13
If they identify as mothers then that is what they are LostOne4Ever Jul 2023 #14
"Using inclusive language like "those who have given birth" achieves that. Hugh_Lebowski Jul 2023 #16
The majority of Cis Women agree LostOne4Ever Jul 2023 #17
I'm not going to sit and argue endlessly with you ... you're dead set on this gambit Hugh_Lebowski Jul 2023 #18
All of those things came about from activists pushing LostOne4Ever Jul 2023 #19
I'm familiar with the Letter, and I understand the point Hugh_Lebowski Jul 2023 #20
Also trans women can adopt or make babies via sperm vercetti2021 Jul 2023 #8
I understand, and I hope you are someday :) (nt) Hugh_Lebowski Jul 2023 #11
I stopped paying attention to the young turks, Cenk and Kasparian a very long time ago LetMyPeopleVote Jul 2023 #9
Here are some good reasons to ignore Cenk and the Young turks LetMyPeopleVote Jul 2023 #15
Thank you for getting this message out. lapucelle Jul 2023 #21
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