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Beastly Boy

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33. "Claims relate to an eight-day operation by the Israel Defense Forces (IDF) at the Kamal Adwan Hospital last week"
Sat Dec 23, 2023, 03:16 PM
Dec 2023

As of Dec. 19, which was... umm... 4 days ago, only one known case of the hospital's staff being interrogated. And we know the testimony CNN is referring to is more recent than a week ago... how? And we know the doctors giving the testimony were vetted..when? By whom? To what effect? Were they allowed to remain in the hospital? Certainly CNN has no clue, and neither do you! Which doesn't prevent CNN, or yourself, from painting, out of thin air (or worse, the testimony of suspected Hamas operatives), "a disturbing picture of how the IDF carried out the operation, as doctors were interrogated for their connections to Hamas". Disturbing indeed, CNN!

"The IDF says that Hamas hides terrorist infrastructure" .
No, silly! The IDF says they have a Hamas general heading the hospital who confirms Hamas hides terrorist infrastructure! And the Hamas general tells IDF he had 16 Hamas operatives in the hospital, and weapons too, not to mention stating directly that the hospital was being used for military purposes.

Unsurprisingly, at least one of the pants on fire testimonies from a suspected hospital nurse (Tanteesh, the nurse) had already been debunked, with CNN somehow managing to remain oblivious of it. Silly them! The other actual human being doctors quoted in the article are also suspected of being the actual Hamas operatives. And theirs is the testimony CNN is relying on, unconfirmed by anyone else! Silly CNN!

As far as a hospital becoming a military target, CNN is reporting on the testimony that guns belonging to able-bodied "security guards" were present inside the hospital. Even if you doubt the testimony of the Hamas general directly stating it to be the case, this testimony alone confirms that able-bodied non-medical personnel were present at the hospital, making it a military target.

Which brings us to Rule 28 of International Humanitarian Law:

Rule 28. Medical units exclusively assigned to medical purposes must be respected and protected in all circumstances. They lose their protection if they are being used, outside their humanitarian function, to commit acts harmful to the enemy.

https://ihl-databases.icrc.org/en/customary-ihl/v1/rule28#:~:text=State%20practice%20establishes%20the%20exception%20under%20customary%20international,Geneva%20Conventions%20and%20in%20both%20Additional%20Protocols.%20
Notwithstanding Article 19 of the 4th Geneva convention, I would venture a wild guess that a hospital run by Hamas general with 16 Hamas operatives on his staff is outside of the hospital's humanitarian function and is harmful to the enemy even if the combatants are not armed, no? Being a military target is not the only way for a hospital to lose its protections. Silly CNN, they can't even look up the shit that any joe shmoe on DU has easy access to!

I think CNN has a lot to answer for.


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"Truth or Fake: This video does not show Israel bulldozing Palestinians at Gaza's Kamal Adwan Hospital" lapucelle Dec 2023 #1
This message was self-deleted by its author Beastly Boy Dec 2023 #2
We'll find out if CNN retracts it or the U.N. brings this report up at a later date. Thank you for TeamProg Dec 2023 #5
What do you expect CNN to retract? The report is that "X accuses Israel of Y". lapucelle Dec 2023 #6
If it was believed to be bogus, CNN would NOT have published the story. nt TeamProg Dec 2023 #8
"The story" is that someone made accusations. lapucelle Dec 2023 #10
Question: How many of these doctors were ranked hamas officers and/or operatives? Beastly Boy Dec 2023 #3
They were vetted by soldiers and found not to be Hamas - THEN SHOT! as per CNN. nt TeamProg Dec 2023 #4
That's not what the CNN report says. The CNN report says that it is an allegation. N/T lapucelle Dec 2023 #7
CNN also reviewed video evidence for some of the claims. TeamProg Dec 2023 #9
CNN reviewed the video, but did not confirm the claim afterwards. lapucelle Dec 2023 #12
No solid denial from the IDF - only that "Hamas has used hospitals" for cover. TeamProg Dec 2023 #14
I don't think there are enough hours in the day to refute every claim the Hamas Health Ministry makes. N/T lapucelle Dec 2023 #16
Same goes for the IDF, sorry. AloeVera Dec 2023 #18
There's a distinction between what Hamas says and what the IDF says. lapucelle Dec 2023 #22
Yes. They lie about different things. AloeVera Dec 2023 #30
"Sometimes Hamas tells the truth methinks". lapucelle Dec 2023 #32
Well 'ya got me there. AloeVera Dec 2023 #34
What truths have Hamas said? lapucelle Dec 2023 #35
You mean, not enough time and excuses to cover up / deny all of the atrocities, right? TeamProg Dec 2023 #20
What are you talking about? lapucelle Dec 2023 #24
Indeed David__77 Dec 2023 #28
Do you think that the Hamas terrorists who engaged in brutal rape and hands-on butchery will also suffer PTSD? lapucelle Dec 2023 #29
There will a lot of consequences of this criminal war. David__77 Dec 2023 #31
A picture is worth a thousand words? AloeVera Dec 2023 #21
... lapucelle Dec 2023 #23
So... AloeVera Dec 2023 #37
"Eyewitness testimony of medical staff"... lapucelle Dec 2023 #38
Good catch! AloeVera Dec 2023 #39
And there is this:: ""For years, Netanyahu propped up Hamas. Now it's blown up in our faces"" TeamProg Dec 2023 #11
"Quick...look over here!" lapucelle Dec 2023 #13
Too funny. Sorry, that history cannot be erased even though Netanyahu backers keep trying. nt TeamProg Dec 2023 #15
Absurd. AloeVera Dec 2023 #17
"Claims relate to an eight-day operation by the Israel Defense Forces (IDF) at the Kamal Adwan Hospital last week" Beastly Boy Dec 2023 #33
You missed some reporting on the 12th, 13th. AloeVera Dec 2023 #36
If you are referring to this CNN reporting on Dec 13, Beastly Boy Dec 2023 #40
Because Abu-Safia is such a reliable witness and medical staff have nothing to do with Hamas lapucelle Dec 2023 #25
A (bulldozer) crushed car on top of rubble outside Kamal Adwan Hospital. TeamProg Dec 2023 #19
Maybe the headline should actually read: "Doctors accuse Israeli troops of bulldozing a car". lapucelle Dec 2023 #26
Thank you again! TeamProg Dec 2023 #27
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