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AloeVera

(2,162 posts)
17. Absurd.
Sat Dec 23, 2023, 12:15 PM
Dec 2023

What difference does it make who they are paid by? You are implying no doctor or medical staff should be believed in anything because they work in a hospital run by their government. Absurd.

These doctors and nurses have been vetted by the IDF and allowed to remain. Is the IDF not doing the vetting properly?

Regardless, how is any of this acceptable, let alone from the "most moral army in the world?

In the words of a non-Hamas operative CHILD:

A child at the hospital, who was receiving treatment for a broken leg, also recalled dogs entering the hospital and attacking an elderly man. “The Israelis let dogs come and attack us. They tortured us. They were shooting towards us. Nights were horrific, we never had sleep since we came here,” he told CNN. “They let dogs attack an old man; it kept biting him.”


From the actual human beings in the medical profession who are paid by Hamas:

“The man screamed in pain. Children and women cried from the horror of the scene. I couldn’t help anyone. This scene was beyond nightmares,” he said. “One of their soldiers came to take the dog and was laughing at the old man and what the dog did to him.”
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Abu Safiya also described multiple incidents where he alleges Israeli troops deliberately tormented people they knew were not suspects.

A fellow doctor, Dr. Ayman Rajab, was released by the soldiers after questioning and then shot in the chest as he tried to make his way back to the hospital, Abu Safiya told CNN. He survived the shooting and returned to his displaced family. Another doctor was shot in the leg, and Abu Safiya’s own son was shot in the abdomen, he said. Gaza’s Health Ministry has echoed the allegation, saying at least five detainees were shot by IDF troops after being told to return to the hospital.
.....

Tanteesh, the nurse, recalls begging for water to no avail, she said. Israeli troops were “half a meter away from us and surrounding us in the courtyard. We had no water, our throats were dry and we were thirsty and begging them just for a glass of water from the morning till evening,” she said.


As the article states, to be considered a military target, hospitals would need to have able-bodied combatants and weaponry. Even then, there are legal and ethical constraints in the treatment of civilians.

Were there able-bodied "combatants actively fighting the IDF from the hospital before it was attacked?

Article 19 of the Geneva Convention states that “the fact that sick or wounded members of the armed forces are nursed in these hospitals, or the presence of small arms and ammunition taken from such combatants which have not yet been handed to the proper service, shall not be considered to be acts harmful to the enemy.”

I think the IDF will have a lot to answer for.

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2 members have recommended this reply (displayed in chronological order):

"Truth or Fake: This video does not show Israel bulldozing Palestinians at Gaza's Kamal Adwan Hospital" lapucelle Dec 2023 #1
This message was self-deleted by its author Beastly Boy Dec 2023 #2
We'll find out if CNN retracts it or the U.N. brings this report up at a later date. Thank you for TeamProg Dec 2023 #5
What do you expect CNN to retract? The report is that "X accuses Israel of Y". lapucelle Dec 2023 #6
If it was believed to be bogus, CNN would NOT have published the story. nt TeamProg Dec 2023 #8
"The story" is that someone made accusations. lapucelle Dec 2023 #10
Question: How many of these doctors were ranked hamas officers and/or operatives? Beastly Boy Dec 2023 #3
They were vetted by soldiers and found not to be Hamas - THEN SHOT! as per CNN. nt TeamProg Dec 2023 #4
That's not what the CNN report says. The CNN report says that it is an allegation. N/T lapucelle Dec 2023 #7
CNN also reviewed video evidence for some of the claims. TeamProg Dec 2023 #9
CNN reviewed the video, but did not confirm the claim afterwards. lapucelle Dec 2023 #12
No solid denial from the IDF - only that "Hamas has used hospitals" for cover. TeamProg Dec 2023 #14
I don't think there are enough hours in the day to refute every claim the Hamas Health Ministry makes. N/T lapucelle Dec 2023 #16
Same goes for the IDF, sorry. AloeVera Dec 2023 #18
There's a distinction between what Hamas says and what the IDF says. lapucelle Dec 2023 #22
Yes. They lie about different things. AloeVera Dec 2023 #30
"Sometimes Hamas tells the truth methinks". lapucelle Dec 2023 #32
Well 'ya got me there. AloeVera Dec 2023 #34
What truths have Hamas said? lapucelle Dec 2023 #35
You mean, not enough time and excuses to cover up / deny all of the atrocities, right? TeamProg Dec 2023 #20
What are you talking about? lapucelle Dec 2023 #24
Indeed David__77 Dec 2023 #28
Do you think that the Hamas terrorists who engaged in brutal rape and hands-on butchery will also suffer PTSD? lapucelle Dec 2023 #29
There will a lot of consequences of this criminal war. David__77 Dec 2023 #31
A picture is worth a thousand words? AloeVera Dec 2023 #21
... lapucelle Dec 2023 #23
So... AloeVera Dec 2023 #37
"Eyewitness testimony of medical staff"... lapucelle Dec 2023 #38
Good catch! AloeVera Dec 2023 #39
And there is this:: ""For years, Netanyahu propped up Hamas. Now it's blown up in our faces"" TeamProg Dec 2023 #11
"Quick...look over here!" lapucelle Dec 2023 #13
Too funny. Sorry, that history cannot be erased even though Netanyahu backers keep trying. nt TeamProg Dec 2023 #15
Absurd. AloeVera Dec 2023 #17
"Claims relate to an eight-day operation by the Israel Defense Forces (IDF) at the Kamal Adwan Hospital last week" Beastly Boy Dec 2023 #33
You missed some reporting on the 12th, 13th. AloeVera Dec 2023 #36
If you are referring to this CNN reporting on Dec 13, Beastly Boy Dec 2023 #40
Because Abu-Safia is such a reliable witness and medical staff have nothing to do with Hamas lapucelle Dec 2023 #25
A (bulldozer) crushed car on top of rubble outside Kamal Adwan Hospital. TeamProg Dec 2023 #19
Maybe the headline should actually read: "Doctors accuse Israeli troops of bulldozing a car". lapucelle Dec 2023 #26
Thank you again! TeamProg Dec 2023 #27
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