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Ken Burch

(50,254 posts)
34. If I shake my fists at rank-and-file Palestinians, all of whom are powerless
Thu Mar 9, 2017, 01:00 PM
Mar 2017

to do anything about Hamas, that would make me complicit in defending the status quo that oppresses them and it would make no positive difference. Yes, Hamas is a horrible group, but ordinary rank-and-file Palestinians don't deserve to suffer because Hamas exists.

What the hell are ordinary Palestinians supposed to do? Get themselves killed in an internecine conflict just to please Likud?

And why defend the iron fist policy towards the West Bank when it's been in place for sixteen uninterrupted years now and, in practical terms, there is nothing to show for it? When it's already clear that there is no way collectively immiserating ordinary Palestinians is ever going to cause a change for the better in the Palestinian leadership? Isn't it time to finally try something else?

You still don't seem to realize that Hamas exists, in significant measure, because the right-wing governments Israel has had for most of the past forty years put their obsession with getting rid of the PLO above any and all other concerns. If they had negotiated with Arafat in the Eighties(he was willing to do that, the only sticking point was Shamir's pointless insistence that the PLO recognize Israel BEFORE the talks started rather than at the moment the talks started as he insisted on), they would have been able to negotiate with a Palestinian leadership at the peak of its influence and credibility, a leadership, with its flaws, that would have had the ability to make a peace deal actually stick. Instead, Shamir(like Begin before him and Netanyahu after him-with Labor not being that much better)cared more about delegitimizing the PLO than it did about ending the war. At some point, that should raise some questions with you.

I don't know what you do other places...but why do you never say anything critical about the Occupation, or at least the West Bank settlements(a project you know perfectly well is indefensible and that has done nothing but make the situation worse)on THIS forum?
Why don't you at least call for a settlement freeze here, since there can't possibly be any excuse for any further settlement expansion?
And why do you perpetuate the claim that virtually all public criticism of Israeli security policy is tantamount to anti-Semitism? In all but a handful of cases, it's not, and in the cases where it is, I join all decent people in condemning it.

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"this woman was unwilling to admit that Muslims would commit such a horrific attack" ck4829 Feb 2017 #1
Let's not forget leftynyc Feb 2017 #2
"Offered" a state by colonialists wellst0nev0ter Feb 2017 #5
Now we're considering leftynyc Feb 2017 #6
Yes, the plan was drawn up by a bunch of former colonists wellst0nev0ter Feb 2017 #9
Non-natives? leftynyc Feb 2017 #10
"I'm guessing, you think terrorism should be rewarded" wellst0nev0ter Feb 2017 #11
I'm sure you must know leftynyc Feb 2017 #14
So how should the non-natives be accommodated hack89 Feb 2017 #12
It was never a colony sabbat hunter Feb 2017 #22
How else will they get a state? By seizing one through violence? hack89 Feb 2017 #7
It is an interesting read. The problem I have with it is that, DanTex Feb 2017 #3
Only one side has proven leftynyc Feb 2017 #4
Nothing would be better if the unjust occupation of Gaza had continued. Ken Burch Feb 2017 #13
You OBVIOUSLY have zero leftynyc Feb 2017 #15
I don't desire any such thing. Ken Burch Feb 2017 #16
You honestly don't think leftynyc Feb 2017 #17
Nothing has constrained Netanyahu from doing anything he wanted. Ken Burch Feb 2017 #18
Oh spare me leftynyc Feb 2017 #19
Israel as a country has humanity, as do ordinary Palestinians on a person-to-person basis. Ken Burch Feb 2017 #20
The stabbing leftynyc Feb 2017 #21
That leaves an implied sylogism that forces an obvious question FBaggins Mar 2017 #44
My theory: more than anything else, it's the pragmatic need to present the appearance Ken Burch Mar 2017 #45
SO HOW THE HELL did it all start? Israeli Feb 2017 #25
If you think continuing leftynyc Feb 2017 #26
You should remember that "Israeli" actually lives in Israel. Ken Burch Mar 2017 #27
I'm very well aware of where leftynyc Mar 2017 #28
What I'm saying is that BOTH groups have real ties to this land. Ken Burch Mar 2017 #29
Have you ever been to Israel? leftynyc Mar 2017 #30
If you detest Netanyahu, then you should call him out on his habit of equating any disagreement Ken Burch Mar 2017 #31
Trying to pretend leftynyc Mar 2017 #33
If I shake my fists at rank-and-file Palestinians, all of whom are powerless Ken Burch Mar 2017 #34
well said Ken .... Israeli Mar 2017 #35
Spare me the revisionism leftynyc Mar 2017 #36
I didn't lie. I don't have time to go back and check, but the implication was always there. Ken Burch Mar 2017 #37
ALWAYS there? leftynyc Mar 2017 #39
I realize that you think that. There have always been SOME people who have done that. Ken Burch Mar 2017 #41
"" I have no intention of proving myself to you because I don't care enough to take the time.' "" Israeli Mar 2017 #38
So much space leftynyc Mar 2017 #40
Shame ....... Israeli Mar 2017 #42
alternativly ..... Israeli Mar 2017 #43
BTW - your statement leftynyc Feb 2017 #24
Hamas sabbat hunter Feb 2017 #23
There is no way to defeat them without using completely scorched-earth tactics. Ken Burch Mar 2017 #32
Fantastic read. Thank you so much for posting this, Leftnyc. grossproffit Feb 2017 #8
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