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Ken Burch

(50,254 posts)
27. You should remember that "Israeli" actually lives in Israel.
Tue Mar 7, 2017, 03:41 PM
Mar 2017

She is on the fire and walking the walk in terms of living the Zionist idea.

As to Native Americans-no, Americans(settlers, to be more accurate, since Native Americans were the first Americans) would not need to be given the country back physically-but there does need to be a public admission that a massive injustice was done to them and that not only compensation but apologies are needed to heal that wound.

The Palestinian people know they can't defeat Israel militarily. Equally, the Israelis-whether Netanyahu acknowledges this or not-CAN'T go totally scorched-earth on the Palestinians because that would never BE a military victory. Doing so would have no other possible effect than creating a new and more extreme Palestinian armed struggle devoted to revenge.

So there is a stalemate. Israel needs to negotiate as much as the Palestinians do, because the status quo is unsustainable.

And the Israeli government needs to accept that, if collective immiseration of ordinary Palestinians hasn't caused those people to overthrow their existing leaders and replace them with leaders Neyanyahu likes better, it never will have that affect, anymore than the embargo on Cuba was ever going to cause the overthrow of Fidel.

The best things Netanyahu could do on a short-term basis would be to impose a permanent, absolutely permanent moratorium on settlement and to dial back day-to-day harassment of ordinary Palestinians in the West Bank-in other words, give people there some breathing room. Collective harassment and collective punishment have no other effect but to drive previously nonviolent people towards nonviolence-if you get in someone's face over and over and over, what else can happen but that that person will snap? And it's not bigotry when that person does snap, it's simply a breaking point.

And there was never a justification for the settlement project on the level at which it has been undertaken. Negotiating the repatriation of the indigenous Jewish communities in the West Bank would have been one thing-I suspect ordinary Palestinians would have been fine with that, so long as the lands those communities were on were not taken as Israeli territory. It was Jordan that expelled those communities, not the Palestinians.

The problem came in from importing hundreds of thousands of OTHER people to the West Bank, people with no personal connection to the land-I said personal connection, historical connections from two millennia earlier are not title to the property- while taking land, water and sometimes even the ancient olive trees Palestinians have raised for centuries as their livelihood and repurposing them for the exclusive use of these settlers.. Do you honestly think it was ever reasonable for Palestinians to be ok with that? To see the people brought in and given privilege over themselves as somehow the real victims in THIS situation?

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"this woman was unwilling to admit that Muslims would commit such a horrific attack" ck4829 Feb 2017 #1
Let's not forget leftynyc Feb 2017 #2
"Offered" a state by colonialists wellst0nev0ter Feb 2017 #5
Now we're considering leftynyc Feb 2017 #6
Yes, the plan was drawn up by a bunch of former colonists wellst0nev0ter Feb 2017 #9
Non-natives? leftynyc Feb 2017 #10
"I'm guessing, you think terrorism should be rewarded" wellst0nev0ter Feb 2017 #11
I'm sure you must know leftynyc Feb 2017 #14
So how should the non-natives be accommodated hack89 Feb 2017 #12
It was never a colony sabbat hunter Feb 2017 #22
How else will they get a state? By seizing one through violence? hack89 Feb 2017 #7
It is an interesting read. The problem I have with it is that, DanTex Feb 2017 #3
Only one side has proven leftynyc Feb 2017 #4
Nothing would be better if the unjust occupation of Gaza had continued. Ken Burch Feb 2017 #13
You OBVIOUSLY have zero leftynyc Feb 2017 #15
I don't desire any such thing. Ken Burch Feb 2017 #16
You honestly don't think leftynyc Feb 2017 #17
Nothing has constrained Netanyahu from doing anything he wanted. Ken Burch Feb 2017 #18
Oh spare me leftynyc Feb 2017 #19
Israel as a country has humanity, as do ordinary Palestinians on a person-to-person basis. Ken Burch Feb 2017 #20
The stabbing leftynyc Feb 2017 #21
That leaves an implied sylogism that forces an obvious question FBaggins Mar 2017 #44
My theory: more than anything else, it's the pragmatic need to present the appearance Ken Burch Mar 2017 #45
SO HOW THE HELL did it all start? Israeli Feb 2017 #25
If you think continuing leftynyc Feb 2017 #26
You should remember that "Israeli" actually lives in Israel. Ken Burch Mar 2017 #27
I'm very well aware of where leftynyc Mar 2017 #28
What I'm saying is that BOTH groups have real ties to this land. Ken Burch Mar 2017 #29
Have you ever been to Israel? leftynyc Mar 2017 #30
If you detest Netanyahu, then you should call him out on his habit of equating any disagreement Ken Burch Mar 2017 #31
Trying to pretend leftynyc Mar 2017 #33
If I shake my fists at rank-and-file Palestinians, all of whom are powerless Ken Burch Mar 2017 #34
well said Ken .... Israeli Mar 2017 #35
Spare me the revisionism leftynyc Mar 2017 #36
I didn't lie. I don't have time to go back and check, but the implication was always there. Ken Burch Mar 2017 #37
ALWAYS there? leftynyc Mar 2017 #39
I realize that you think that. There have always been SOME people who have done that. Ken Burch Mar 2017 #41
"" I have no intention of proving myself to you because I don't care enough to take the time.' "" Israeli Mar 2017 #38
So much space leftynyc Mar 2017 #40
Shame ....... Israeli Mar 2017 #42
alternativly ..... Israeli Mar 2017 #43
BTW - your statement leftynyc Feb 2017 #24
Hamas sabbat hunter Feb 2017 #23
There is no way to defeat them without using completely scorched-earth tactics. Ken Burch Mar 2017 #32
Fantastic read. Thank you so much for posting this, Leftnyc. grossproffit Feb 2017 #8
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